Poor Handling of Active Malware by Avira Antivir

Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by aigle, Jan 19, 2007.

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  1. aigle

    aigle Registered Member

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    Probably not. May be a safe mode scan!!

    There are always aternative solutions but in my opinion this reboot and remove option is a must for any AV. Otherwise why so many other good AVs have incorporated this feature in this software?
     
  2. Mele20

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    I don't see why it is "must have". What is wrong with booting into safe mode, disabling System Restore, setting the scanner to expert mode (if it isn't already), scan all files (if it isn't set that way already), and removing there?
     
  3. zopzop

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    Wow, that's kinda disturbing. I hope the makers of antivir chime in on this. Did you email them your results aigle? The only way I can see rationalizing these results is that you disabled the guard in order to run these tests. Hopefully with the guard on, it would have intercepted the virus before you had a chance to install it. As long as antivir keeps these nasties off my machine with the guard enabled, I'm happy. Better to stop the viruses before they install, then miss them and then have to worry about removing them.
     
  4. C.S.J

    C.S.J Massive Poster

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    this forum is biased!
    does antvir not scan memory processes, i thought they all did that by now, i thought avira did. o_O
     
  5. trjam

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    I think Stefan would be the best to answer this stuff. I would have a real hard time thinking any of this is true.
     
  6. lodore

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    i agree i cant wait to see what stephan has to say about this.
    also trjam how many computers/laptops do you have?
    lodore
     
  7. Drew99GT

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    Antivir indeed does not scan memory in guard, only with an on demand scan. Least there is no option for it in configuration to scan in guard; there is for the scanner. Hmmmmmmm

    Antivir guard stops eicar!
     
  8. FRug

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    http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4674/processscan0nl.th.jpg


    from the log:

    Start of the scan: Montag, 22. Januar 2007 21:14

    The scan of running processes will be started
    Scan process 'avscan.exe' - '36' Modules have been scanned
    Scan process 'avcenter.exe' - '68' Modules have been scanned
    Scan process 'avgnt.exe' - '39' Modules have been scanned
    Scan process 'avmailc.exe' - '27' Modules have been scanned
    Scan process 'avesvc.exe' - '27' Modules have been scanned
    Scan process 'mozilla.exe' - '109' Modules have been scanned
    Scan process 'miranda32.exe' - '43' Modules have been scanned
    Scan process 'Dot1XCfg.exe' - '81' Modules have been scanned
    Scan process 'hpgs2wnf.exe' - '26' Modules have been scanned
    Scan process 'Skype.exe' - '77' Modules have been scanned
    Scan process 'fpassist.exe' - '20' Modules have been scanned
    Scan process 'hpgs2wnd.exe' - '27' Modules have been scanned
    Scan process 'MSASCui.exe' - '34' Modules have been scanned
    14 processes with 688 modules were scanned
     
  9. trjam

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    Frug, does this mean it does or doesnt.
     
  10. trjam

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    2 lodore that I tinker with, and as you can see, I tinker alot. For me, Avira and Eset are the best 2 going for what I want and dont want. Sorry, but yours doesnt do me well. I trust Frug and his thoughts so lets see what he says.
     
  11. lodore

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    eset is good.
    and so is antivir.
    but kav is great as well.
    well all the av's in my sig are good.
    lodore
     
  12. Drew99GT

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    That's just a separate on demand scan of memory; if you select memory in the configuration, it will also scan it during regular scans. But I don't think the guard actively monitors memory.
     
  13. SteveS335

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    Yes, that's what I meant (or with active bad processes killed). Sorry I didn't specify - my bad:rolleyes:
    Well that's the way it is - you pay your money & you take your choice (although in this case you don't even have to pay any money;) )

    Perhaps Avira may be considering this option for the future - in the meantime it's Safe Mode & Scan.

    Steve
     
  14. SteveS335

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    Hey, trjam & lodore,

    You both beta tested APSS - did you not read the manual then?

    Heh - that's the polite way of saying it :D

    Steve
     
  15. SteveS335

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    I said nothing about eset o_O - but I do hold them in high regard if your interested in my views on them.

    nevermind
     
  16. C.S.J

    C.S.J Massive Poster

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    this forum is biased!
    i agree, if a manual is needed for a beta test, the product is no good :D

    we know all avs have some kind of manual, but its mainly all the techno-stuff whats put into them, you shouldnt need one to test out a product.

    @ trjam,

    bit off topic here, but....

    everyday you have a different AV, whats going on? :D :eek:
     
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    Of course , you can , trjam ! Just say how many lifes you have and that's it , I'll order it for you :D :D :D
     
  18. SteveS335

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    My view is that in order to test a product, you need to have at least a basic understanding of the way it works - surprisingly the manual has the answers.
     
  19. trjam

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    Steve, I apologize, I misunderstood, my friend.

    Chris,, my avatar changes, who says my AV does?

    HiTech, 5 years would be nice but it will have to incluse any new products:) coming out this year.:D
     
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    I wholeheartedly agree! Seems some in this thread have no idea how aVira works. I think before you criticize something you should read the manual and understand how it works...otherwise, you risk looking stupid.

    I see nothing wrong with booting to safe mode, using expert mode, and scan all files to remove malware in memory. It appears to me that some want a simple feature because they aren't capable of undestanding anything about how the AV works. It is this sort of user who is partly responsible for all the bloat in AVs today. I don't want a bloated AV so you guys who won't read the manual...go elsewhere and leave aVira for those of us who like it just as it is.
     
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  21. SteveS335

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    Thanks for posting that mele20 - I was beginning to think I was in a minority of one :eek:

    Steve
     
  22. trjam

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    Well not to sound big headed, but I think if there is someone here who knows the manual, it is yours truly. And knowing it or not still doesnt cut the mustard with vendor feedback on the issues in question.
     
  23. trjam

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    I think any product that requires you to boot into safe mode to remove malware is so far behind the times, they should retire. And that would include Eset.:oops:
     
  24. aigle

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    I see nothing wrong with booting to safe mode, using expert mode, and scan all files to remove malware in memory
    I personally might kill the process manually and do somewaht more including safe mode scan but why bother an ordinary user for something that can be done automatically. They might not even know about this.
    By ur definition NOD, Avast and KAV are all bloated. Its, a good fashion to say bloated, bloated without even thinking what a bloat is.

    I go many times but then come back.:)
     
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  25. aigle

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    I think this is scan report of Premium not classic. As far as remember Classic scan report was not like this but I will re-check.
     
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