perfectdisk or diskeeper for the boot defrag?

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by mantra, Feb 27, 2009.

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  1. prius04

    prius04 Registered Member

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    LOL......Deal! ;)

    I should have added that I went "bare" on one machine (nothing other than WDD) several days ago and have yet to notice any degradation in performance.
     
  2. Access Denied

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    I reloaded my fresh install image with no defragger save 7's default. I had to reinstall a couple apps, no big deal. I'll let the default do it's deed for a while and we'll get two diff systems trials here for all to see. :thumb:
     
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    Im noticing a small increase speed of my system so far. I'm not sure why or how but there is absolutely NO decrease of system performance using the built in defragger on my system.

    I am running Windows 7, but I think this would be the same defrag from Vista and maybe even xp. I won't be using a 3rd party anymore. This hard drive was the result of a image restore (always a defrag mess from hell on this pc), installing 2 or more apps at the same time, removed a couple apps I have since added, and only the built in defrag app has been used. I don't know how to view what my disk looks like in the 3rd party apps, but everything is smokin fast like it usually takes a 30 min relocation from UD to achieve.
     
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    believe it or not. now id have to say neither. i tried everything to get perfectdisk to actually move some of the mft that was fragmented after reboot numerous times. tried everything i could think of. they even went as far to suggest me to reinstall it. they swore it should do this job perfectly. and im not at all a diskkeeper fan myself.

    i was testing out puran defrag a short time ago but kept getting chkdsk erros with it, fixed that issue which ended up due to another device driver (at least it ran fine after i updated that driver) i tried paragon as well.

    puran actually did the job perfectdisk seemingly could not do. i ran the boot time numerous times with perfectdisk and it could not fully defrag the mft. after the first run of puran 0% fragmented i also ran perfectdisk after to see its analysis and it showed the same as puran. so great job puran!!!!!
     
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    ScanDefrag Or Here
    is FREE and offer you:

    -Disk Defragmentation during BootTime by JKDefrag
    -Page File cleaning by PageFile
    -Windows Disk Cleanup.

    Why pay for Boot Defrag?
     
  6. Access Denied

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    Its now been a week and my system is just as fast, if not faster, using Windows 7 built in defrag util. No question about it.
     
  7. Brian K

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    I've turned Windows Defrag off in Windows 7. There is no difference in performance.
     
  8. prius04

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    No noticeable difference in performance here either, after more than a week of using nothing but XP's built-in defragmenter.

    The report does show 2 as the number of "Total MFT fragments" but nothing else has changed on this PC since I had DK installed (which was months and months ago). After I dumped DK, I was using PD 2008 followed by UD 2008 but none of those products, apparently, were able to fully defrag the MFT.
     
  9. RAD

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    I just checked, and my MFT has 0 fragments under PD10 which I leave on "Autopilot" all the time.

    Also, I know that Paragon's Total Defrag 2007 would completely defrag and compact the MFT. I used it for a while.


    Also, I don't think you would expect to see really noticeable changes in speed until about three months of no defragging. That is just a guess. Keep reporting though! Thanks !
     
  10. prius04

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    Well, I agree that it will probably take longer than just a week or two for any noticeable degradation. For me, though, it's not a matter of doing *no defragging* since I still plan to use the built-in defragger on a regular basis. I'd just like to see for myself whether any third party product is worth the bother and/or expense. At this point, I'm at least 90% convinced that they either have no value or very little, at least not in my case.

    FWIW, I tried a few commercial defraggers today; PD10, Paragon Total Defrag 2009, Diskeeper Pro Premier, and Puran. Short story is the built-in defrag continues to show 2 total MFT fragments even after doing a boot time defrag with each of the above mentioned products. Funny thing is the reports from the commercial products seemed to diverge from each other. PD10, for example, showed 0 MFT fragments while Puran showed 1 MFT fragment. Go figure. :rolleyes:
     
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    As fast as my system is running, I could care less about how it looks and where my mft, pagefile, etc are located. I've always boot defragged and all that up until last week when I started the built in defrag test.

    I'm sold on it. No more 3rd party app to install.
     
  12. prius04

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    Yep, I'm finished with this "experiment" as well. I'll be using the built-in utility unless I encounter an issue down the road......
     
  13. crofttk

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    Minor point for sure, because I totally agree with the overall assessment, but my readout on PD10 shows 0 excess "fragments", i.e., the file is in one piece or fragment. Is Puran reading on a different basis or the same?
     
  14. prius04

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    It's a good point, though. Unfortunately, I can't provide an answer because I don't recall *exactly* what was indicated in the Puran report......I only recall that it reported 1 MFT fragment.

    But, regardless, assuming the PD10 report indicated 0 *excess* fragments and the Puran report was meant to be interpreted as the file being in 'one piece or fragment' (i.e. the reports were consistent), both of those reports contradict what is being reported by the built-in defragmenter.
     
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    Well, shoot, of course. I guess I narrowed my brain focus too much and totally mis-processed the built-in defrag result! *puppy* Fair enough.
     
  16. Huupi

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    Is all this geeky nitti picky or what ?

    One fragment or two fragments,who care,don't bother,it has absolutely no impact on performance. o_O
     
  17. crofttk

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    Nobody cares, obviously, except you apparently. I discussed a minor inconsistency among defragmenters with prius04 and acknowledged it to be inconsequential. What the heck do YOU care?:D

    EDIT: Toned it down a tad... Had supper and got my blood sugar back up. *puppy*
     
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  18. Huupi

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    No problem ! I understand something about relation of body and mind. :D

    But in retrospect i realize that my remark was a bit rude. Sorry for that. ;)
     
  19. coloriteman

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    Use ultimate defrag . It is only 2mb and effective than deskeeper .
     
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