Panda Security to be acquired by WatchGuard

Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by mood, Mar 9, 2020.

  1. mood

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    Panda Security to be acquired by WatchGuard
    The deal will see technology from both companies merge into a single brand platform
    March 9, 2020

    https://www.itpro.co.uk/business-st...1/panda-security-to-be-acquired-by-watchguard
    WatchGuard: WatchGuard Technologies to Acquire Panda Security, Extending Simplified Security from Network to Endpoint
     
  2. anon

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    So, it's the end for Panda as the tech will be integrated into WatchGuard.

    We are starting to see a market consolidation of sorts, IMHO. The old guard of AV products is slowly being phased out....
     
  4. clocks

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    Never heard of them
     
  5. bellgamin

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    IMO Panda will get better, not worse. I say this based solely on logic.
     
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    As I wrote in another thread, there will only be a few big players left...
     
  7. Nightwalker

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    This kind of acquisition is expected, nowadays is hard to justify the existence of the majority of the security vendors, after all most solutions out there are inferior to the free, native, non-intrusive Microsoft Defender.
     
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    +1
     
  9. drhu22

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    Hmmmm... fascinating...
     
  10. gery

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    hopefully they will lower the price of Panda
     
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    Feels like flame bait. Must resist urge to.... :eek:
     
  12. Nightwalker

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    Well but it isnt, it is just my opinion (grounded by independent tests, market share and personal usage), but of course you are free to disagree.

    Meanwhile:

    https://www.ghacks.net/2019/08/03/windows-defender-has-a-market-share-of-50/
    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-defender-perfect-scores-av-test,40139.html
    https://www.mrg-effitas.com/test-library/
    https://www.microsoft.com/security/...endpoint-protection-platforms-magic-quadrant/
     
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  13. Lordman

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    See Exploit/Fileless samples on mrg-effitas last test, page 14.

    https://www.mrg-effitas.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/MRG_Effitas_2019Q4_360.pdf

    11,1% missed samples is very bad result because a lot of malware is file-less actually.

    Yes, there are many other security solutions better than Microsoft Defender.
     
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  14. Minimalist

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    I agree. It's not bad but there are better solutions.
    I have mixed feeling about Panda being bought. I hope that their products will be improved.
     
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    Fair enough. If you are willing to state that it is opinion and took the time to post links I will not argue the point. I just felt that the "most solutions out there are inferior" statement was a bold claim without evidence as it was initially stated. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and should use what they prefer. :thumb:

    We will know Defender has finally made it when the antitrust lawsuits begin. :argh:
     
  16. Nightwalker

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    No doubt about that, yet there are much more solutions that have a worse performance compared to Microsoft Defender.

    It is simple enough and thats why third party solutions that are not top tier are in a very bad spot.

    Exploit/Fileless Malware test scenario is overrated, just look at the methodology, even with a bad result it is still a Certified Level 1 product.


    I see, but there are evidences for what I stated; AV-TEST, Av-Comparatives, MRG Effitas, SE Labs tests for example shows that Microsoft Defender has consistently above average performance.

    Of course there are, but Microsoft Defender doesnt break SSL and Windows protection mechanisms, doesnt interfere with system updates, it is free, activated by default, providing a non-intrusive experience.

    Thats why third party security vendors are in a tough spot, they need to offer a much better solution to be viable nowadays and most dont, so expect much more acquisitions like this.

    Example:
    https://www.techradar.com/news/sophos-sold-in-dollar39bn-deal

    I wont cite names because it is against forums rules, but there are many security solutions that are subpar compared to Microsoft Defender and thats isnt my opinion, it is a fact for anyone who is watching the security field for a while.


    Reason for Edit: Merge posts.
     
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  17. bellgamin

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    Ah... the view from Mount Olympus must be splendid this time of year. :isay:

    I like to read opinions. Everyone has an innate right to be wrong.

    I find it interesting that Micro$oft, the producer of an OS that has shown it is incapable of preventing built-in security vulnerabilities, also offers a program to protect against those very same vulnerabilities. It's sort of like an automobile company providing free life insurance that pays off when your car explodes due to that fact that the company's cars consistently manifest leaky fuel lines and faulty wiring.

    Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. This same M$ issued Internet Explorer as a "free" browser & an organic part of Windoze. Internet Explorer soon drove all the other browsers into near-oblivion. Once its competition was gone, M$ then allowed Internet Explorer to degenerate into an insecure mess, so its competitors returned to life (thank goodness).

    When "free" M$ Defender puts its anti-virus competition out of business, be sure that Defender, too, will degenerate just as Internet Explorer did.
     
  18. Nightwalker

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    That was exactly what I thought when I read your post saying that Panda will get better based on your laughable logic, but I didnt felt the need to attack your persona.

    You can bet that the view is indeed very beautiful, such a shame that someone old like you cant appreciate it anymore.

    "Hurr duur Micro$oft"; yeah it is so wrong that a company is trying to make money with its products/services, oh the horror.

    Would you kindly use your superb crystal ball to predict the lottery numbers of this week?

    Edit: @Moderators
    I wont allow someone who cant accept other people opinions to disrespect me, feel free to delete my post, but in no way I was attacking anybody in this thread until now.

    It is hilarious that some folks have to justify their choices attacking other products, I use Kaspersky Internet Security 2020 and recognize that Microsoft Defender is good enough, I like some other products like ESET and Emisisoft, but I dont feel the need to distort reality to justify my personal tastes.

    I am an old user in this forum and for my historic anybody can see that I am not a fanboy or a troll like some user suggested, anyway I rest my case.
     
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  19. bellgamin

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    @Nightwalker -- I apologize if it seemed I was attacking you. I was trying merely to yank your chain, tongue in cheek. Obviously my wording was inept and came across as an attack. I am not a fan of Microsoft but I always enjoy your posts and have often learned from them.
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    My comment that Panda would improve under new ownership was based on the logic that it probably can't get worse so it must evidently get better. At least, I hope so.
     
  20. Nightwalker

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    I see, I am not a native english speaker, maybe for this reason it sounded to me much more harsh and agressive than your intentions.

    Anyway I cant agree with you about Panda, things can get worse; the brand can be discontinued like many others have been in the past (Ewido, Sygate, ThreatFire, SpywareDoctor, BOclean, Sandboxie/Invincea ...), after all acquisitions are not always about the product itself, sometimes it is about expertise, technology, staff and/or market participation.

    Personally I dont see much hope for Panda, it is such a shame because I used and liked it from the times when Pedro Bustamante was a Senior Research Advisor there.
     
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    ... but I never got an answer from Panda support so I won't miss Panda. ;)
     
  22. aztony

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    I get the feeling Panda will eventually disappear. But I hope I am wrong.
     
  23. anon

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    This thread refers in Panda's acquisition or Microsoft Defender performance? :confused:
     
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    I hope so, too.

    Webroot was bought out by 1 big outfit & stayed alive. Then Webroot was purchased yet again by an even larger company, based in Canada. Webroot presently is very much alive and is being actively advertised. So getting bought doesn't always mean disappearnce.

    Panda is a well-known AV, & their cloud set-up works really well, so I *think* they will continue. If so, step #1 should be to improve their customer service. Right now, that really stinx!
     
  25. Nightwalker

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    I feel sorry that you cant see how both are correlated, but you can solve this "big annoying problem" ignoring my posts :D
     
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