Outpost Firewall 9.3

Discussion in 'other firewalls' started by kronckew, Dec 1, 2015.

  1. Circuit

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    KIS trade what a joke! Firewall, what firewall?
     
  2. Cabville

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    I going to miss outpost. It was an outstanding product. It lacked mainstream appeal, but in the right hands, it was a powerful tool.
     
  3. BoerenkoolMetWorst

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    Meh, a shame.
    I would rather have they kill the expiry on their licenses so we can continue to use Outpost instead of switching to Kaspersky.
     
  4. Cutting_Edgetech

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    Oh, I was not aware it was only in beta stage right now. I will try it anyways though.
     
  5. Cutting_Edgetech

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    I don't blame you. Outpost is a great firewall if you know how to configure it. I don't like Kaspersky FW at all.
     
  6. hayc59

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    Use it until its no longer useful Boeren and then look for something else..NO one is forcing anyone to use KAV
     
  7. BoerenkoolMetWorst

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    Yes, but my license expires in a few days and I can't buy a new one :(
     
  8. Cabville

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    Expired outpost licenses continue to have full functionality. Its not like Kaspersky and some others where the product stops working after the license period ends. You only lose update capability. If your using the firewall, your fine, since they will not be issuing any further updates. If your using the Security Suite, you will lose AV updates. There are ways around that problem.

    Which one are you using?
     
  9. Cabville

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    Its also a safe bet that the Outpost license will still be fully functional, even after "exchanging it" for the Kaspersky Key. Agnitum was always very user friendly on such matters. One reason I really liked them. And Kaspersky Keys TYPICALLY take effect when installed. I'm not sure if that is the case with the exchanged keys. But if it is, you could pick up the kaspersky key, continue to use outpost for as long as it serves its purpose, and then switch to kaspersky.
     
  10. kronckew

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    i removed OPFW & reinstalled OSS with my traded in 'lifetime' key. it installed OK, activated OK, appears they have not (as yet) deactivated my key. looks like it will continue to work. after the updates stop on the 32st of december, it will then be adviseable to install a third party antivirus/antimalware to stay fully protected on that front, and disable the then obsolete funtions in OSS. i personally am reverting to OPFW & using my lifetime key for that which i have not traded in.
     
  11. BoerenkoolMetWorst

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    I'm using Firewall Pro so I don't need the updates. Outpost is now giving a red popup at boot that license is expired and I will not be getting free updates, so that seems right, but on the other hand the Main GUI shows main protection disabled:
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  12. kronckew

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    i've been informed by agnitum that the deal with kaspersky is a trade, not free, so your traded outpost licence key WILL be terminated. also the KISS key or keys must be activated this month.
     
  13. Cabville

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    I'm guessing your having a local issue of some sort. It's possible Agnitum changed the licence behavior with recent versions, but that seems unlikely.
     
  14. Cabville

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    Exactly how would they do that Kronckew? Outpost doesn't use activation servers. It sounds to me like they are trying to migrate people off the product.
     
  15. chrcol

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    whenever I search for outpost firewall there is no such product, only a security suite, what gives?
     
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    They are , don't like the tactics they are using at all
     
  18. kronckew

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    yes, they have used online activation servers and have barred pirated/cracked/keygen license codes for a few years. the terms for trading in your license key for kaspersky were set by kaspersky, who owns the key after you trade it in for theirs. kaspersky, not agnitum have told 'agnitum' - which really doesn't exist any more except on the free time of the now yandex employees - to bar the keys which are not yours any more.

    i expect that bar will go into effect soon, maybe the 31st of jan when the KISS offer ends. oss/opfw keys not traded in will apparently continue to receive updates till dec 31st 2016 when they currently plan to turn the update servers off and end their own limited support.

    the user forum may continue a bit longer. TBA. i would bet that the already paid hosting fees for all the agnitum servers ends sometime after the end of the year. if all works well, yandex may even renew parts, like the user forum. but don't count on it. if i weren't a volunteer, and retired, i'd be out job hunting.

    anyway, if you want any support, try our user run support forum, you are likely to get an answer sooner, at least while we are still up & running. do not expect any program updates tho. the current versions are also the last as far as we know. doubt there will ever be any future patches either, from now till the lights go out forever.
     
  19. ellison64

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    It all seems very messy to me.What does kaspersky gain from blocked outpost licenses?.Are agnitum going to update OSS sigs/presets,bug fix etc ,in their break times at yandex house?.Agnitum support doesn't respond anymore so what sort of service do OSS diehards think they are going to get in regards to updates .bug fixing etc.? .Personally I don't think agnitum or kaspersky have done anyone any favors here,its enough to put you off both companies.
     
  20. ellison64

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    That would have been more appropriate imo.Also maybe let current users upgrade to OSS for free for the year until support was stopped.I cant help wondering what sort of support OSS is really going to have though ,considering all the staff are supposed to be over at yandex now.
     
  21. kronckew

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    doubt there will be any bug fixes. they may answer polite questions or offer work arounds; heck, yandex may even let a couple of them work on updating a/v and a/m signatures as it's related to the stuff they want in their browser.

    anyhow, they made an offer, you don't have to take it. beating a dead horse will get you nothing. agnitum is effectively dead. live with it and move on. like many other software than has not been developed for years and is still in use, it may live on for a while after it's creators are gone, but will become obsolete eventually. we at the forum will offer bereavement counselling and help with what we can for as long as we can, and pass out any info we get from the those that were agnitum, until the lights go out.

    speculation on what they could have done or should have done or what may happen won't help any. it's as well as over. the ex owners haven't got any money to do anything else, or make another offer...anyway, i'll take whatever i can get for as long as i can get it.. they could have just stopped everything. so far they haven't, other than no more trading.
     
  22. ellison64

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    I'm not beating a dead horse. I'm wondering whether agnitums commitment should be taken seriously or not.
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    From agnitum website.
    Agnitum terminates direct and partner sales of the Outpost product line. However, the company continues to meet its commitments to existing customers. Agnitum will provide antivirus base updates, bug fixing and technical support until December 31, 2016.
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    I asked technical support a technical question concerning an operation of outpost pro earlier this week and got this reply
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    Thank you for your message.

    Unfortunately Agnitum terminates sales and support of the Outpost
    product line in the near future.

    Please read the information is provided in the official announcement:
    http://www.agnitum.com/news/2016-01-14-yandex-acquired-agnitum-technology.php

    You can use the form on this page: http://www.agnitum.com/migrate.php
    to start the migration process.

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    Best regards,
    .................................................
    In view of this I wonder whether users who decide not to migrate will get the service they expect until the end of the year?
     
  23. kronckew

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    please read the information provided in the official announcement:
    http://www.agnitum.com/news/2016-01-14-yandex-acquired-agnitum-technology.php

    i quote from there: under the title 'support and availability'
    it specifies what the near future is for those items. the future is already here for sales. they've stopped. i suspect the forum IS the support portal. we are at least still in contact with some of the people. i suspect, as i said the 'bug fixes' are unlikely unless some rather major flaw is found, or if it breaks completely due to one of Microsoft's win10 'updates'. i'd not hold my breath tho. i'll post the anomaly, ellison64, from your post & ask for clarification as theree seems from that that the two are mutually exclusive.
     
  24. Cabville

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    And I say again, they may not block it. I have been down this road often enough to know that companies often say stuff like this and then don't follow through. Usually, they don't. Mostly because one stupid mistake can bring thousands of support requests down upon them along with other headaches. I'm not saying they won't, but I would be a little surprised if they did, regardless of what they say. The simplest and safest route is to simply say you will to get people to migrate, then just do nothing.

    Even if, by some chance, your OSS key is blocked, it will be back working next year. Agnitum does not use activation servers. Meaning you can validate it anytime with just the key. They would have to do an active blacklist of they key on the AV server, or some similar mechanism. Those servers go bye-bye on Dec 31, 2016, meaning there will be nothing to tell your copy that its key is blacklisted, assuming they do it at all. They will certainly not waste resources worrying about old copies of OSS after that time. You would obviously be without AV signatures, but that was the weakness of the suite anyways.
     
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  25. Cabville

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    No they don't use activation servers. If they did, you wouldn't be able to activate it offline. They might blacklist keys, but that isn't the same thing.
     
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