Opera 15

The one thing which really attracted me to opera was the integrated email client.
Why on earth are firefox and chrome not implementing this in their browsers.

 

I don't know, to me the more you add to the browser the more vulnerabilities you possibly introduce. Plus, most folks go with the well known providers by default (that being good or bad is a different discussion). I just don't see it as necessary.

 

Can you still hold SHIFT or CTRL + SHIFT and click on a link to open in a new Tab?

This is the way I open several dozen links on a news site.

Holding CTRL + SHIFT and clicking opens the Tab in the background and I stay on the main news site page to open more links in the background.


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Can you still configure your own keyboard shortcuts via the keyboard.ini file?





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rich

 

seems like half of the preferences are no longer available and i looked for opera:config, which just took me back to the settings page again. so i couldn't disable geolocation or make any other privacy settings changes like was available in 12.15 so, no thanks. i don't even think they allowed search engine changes.

what a piece of junk.

great for tracking you though, they prob got a raise from google.

 

Well, I think that might be pushing the criticism a bit much. I personally see it as there not being as many privacy issues to worry about. Think of Chrome and all the options to predict this and that, to connect to this and that service. Opera doesn't have all that. No, I don't think you can switch engines in this version. But that's less of a privacy issue and more reason to call it what I feel it really is, a crippled browser.

 

Ok, it passed the facebook test in Xp like I thought it would. How did I guess? The browser seems to be more like the mobile version of Opera and targeted at an audience that uses Facebook and Youtube a lot. CPU usage is between 2 and 12% with Firefox, Opera 9, Opera 12 and Opera 15 all going at once and Opera 15 logged onto Facebook. It opens 3 separate processes in the process list when running. It also kept my logon information when I had the "keep local data only until I quit the browser" checked and password saving disabled. It looks like it's saving a cookie when I don't want it to. Not good for security. The older versions of Opera don't keep logon information even if they crash and restart. Cookies are deleted when you set it to delete them when you close the browser.

The extended options panel of Opera 12 in an earlier post says it all: This a really simplified--dumbed down--browser compared to the old Opera and the few privacy and security settings it does have don't work the way they should. That being said, it is good for social networking and entertainment sites that use a lot of bandwidth but I'd never log onto my bank account with it. For what it is, it isn't bad but I use the older versions of Opera for different reasons like more control over it's appearance and behavior and feel much more secure using the old Opera.

 

I suppose the reason that it has much less options than the old Opera is that WebKit/Blink is so much more heavy than Presto. I doubt that it will ever have the complex options the original Opera had. Having said that, O15 is really fast on my notebook. It has its uses I suppose, but I doubt that it will ever be my default browser.

 

If they fix the tab and window stuff, things they should have never ever released without, then I'm actually otherwise satisfied with the browser as it is. There's evidently a cookie issue someone spoke of, but that happened all the time in the old Opera as well. I guess some bugs never change? I think there is a bug in how Opera clears data as well, since I can remove everything from history, close the browser and open it back up with past websites still loaded in tabs. CCleaner can probably deal with that issue though. But yeah, fix the tabs/windows and I'll come back for round..4 I think?

 

Nah, they wouldn't remove all that because of heaviness of Webkit/Blink. Those options made next to no difference in how heavy the browser is. They're just redesigning Opera from the ground up and all of those options are either yet to come or gone for good. We won't know until Opera slips them in or tells us. I wish they hadn't dropped their work on other stuff to focus on bookmarks due to user complaints. Their own statistics showed people didn't really use them, and the other stuff is a bit more important in my eyes. Still, at least they are saying "Hey, we hear you, we'll get on that". Good luck getting Google or MS to have that attitude with their browsers.

Opera could make a nice comeback honestly, but they've got to get those basic functions in there. If they managed to bundle Flash like Chrome does, that would be an even sweeter deal.

 

If that's the case they could probably put a lot of functionality back. Or they have a new simplified approach, it's difficult to say.

They have already fixed the PDF reader bug.

Yeah, they seem to be listening. The bookmarks (or lack of) aren't a big deal for me but it seemed strange to lose them altogether.

I am not going to make any predictions on what will be added in the future but I am still quite surprised on how much I like the new Opera.

 

Hi Rich!

Well, I don't know if you got the impression that I curently use Opera 15, since I don't, yet anyway. I use Safari Version 5.0.5 on XP.

But I tried what you suggested anyway, SHIFT + CTRL "click on link" opens a new tab.

While CTRL "click on link" opens a new tab in the background.

Anyhow, I may actually start using the CTRL + Link as it works very well, thanks for that tip

 

Yes it is such basic functions in a browser that I don't understand why they left them out. If enough people complain they may bring these functions back

Well there we go, what opens up a new Tab in the background in Safari and IE 8 does something different in Opera 15, now we know that too

 

Does this new Opera 15 have site settings. The stuff I've been setting for years in Tools > Quick Preferences >Edit Site Settings. If yes, are any of these settings now missing? If so, which?
Third party cookies, javascript, user agent, that sort of thing is of interest. Is it all intact there?

Chrome look-alike and social site orientation is of no interest to me, so I'm slowly learning how SeaMonkey works. Before they change that for the worse. I hope never.
I wonder if the time has come to just yank out the ethernet cable and forget this whole madness of changes for the worse.

Opera in Android, as someone mentioned, has also been changed. Dramatically. For the worse. If it weren't for backups, I could not have reverted to the last reasonably good version.

 

You can choose to not run JavaScript, & block third party cookies & data.

Did you see those links to SeaMonkey extensions I made for you on the SeaMonkey thread you started? I doubt SeaMonkey will change much, too many traditionalists in the SeaMonkey Council! IMO, in the five years I've been using it, not only has it hardly changed, it has gotten better.

EDIT: Link to SeaMonkey thread

 

Please, clarify. Are you telling about Global settings? Or site-specific settings for the sites where I want to permit such activities?

Oh, thank you very much. No I haven't been there, so it's good you told me.

All the add-ons intimidate me, really. What's built in Opera naturally, has to be add-ons in other browsers, arrggghhh. I did put in NoScript long ago and AddBlock plus recently, and that's all I got at this point. I will read the links you posted and maybe use some, but scared of conflicts. Anyway your post is much appreciated.

 

still hate this new browser. no home button. no way to change the page that loads when started up which i hate why does it have to load last browsed page every time i see zero place to change the start page or home page, personally im glad they are working on bookmarks they way it is just plain stinks. otherwise its not a bad basic browser but not worth much more. it is fast though.

 

I think the Opera settings are global, I doubt they're site specific. As for the SeaMonkey extensions, the only extension that caused me any problem was WOT which seemed to stop status bar icons showing, hence I don't use WOT on SeaMonkey now.

Once you add Disable Add-on Compatibility Checks you should be fine. Ignore the caveat about it not being compatible. Most of the extensions actually are compatible it's just that a glitch in SeaMonkey registers them as un-compatible. Most of the extensions will work fine once the Disable Add-on Compatibility Checks extension is added. Every time SeaMonkey upgrades it informs me that Tab Clicking Options isn't compatible, but it still works. I believe the developer himself uses it on SeaMonkey with no problems.

 

I usually return to speed dial after a browser session, I used to do this anyway I think out of habit, so Opera 15 opens to speed dial for me usually anyway.

I agree about the speed. I hope any improvements/additions don't interfere with that.

 

I'm sorry but is this some kind of joke, can't you even choose what homepage to use?
I use Wikipedia as my homepage/startpage as it loads fast and contains no ads.

We hear funny, weird, interesting, good/bad stories about this browser everyday

 

Tried it, hated it, back to 12.16. Where's the petition to bring back the real Opera?

12.16 Download: http://www.opera.com/download/guide/

TH

 

I think that it will develop in time. I have a feeling Opera ASA released it as it is to test the waters so to speak. Maybe with all of the feedback they will develop a decent browser. I still quite like it, but I wouldn't use it as a default browser.

 

Yeah maybe...hopefully, but I still don't see the point in taking away all the basic stuff that we have talked about lately in this thread, it doesn't make any sense to me

I really was tempted Dave but not so much anymore, maybe later if things improve

 

Admittedly there has been some simplifying of it as a browser, but what it does do, it does well.