Opera 10.6x (Alpha, Beta...) Now Final! - The Fastest Browser on Earth gets Faster !!

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  1. linuxforall

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    Funny, these folks surreptitiously don't mention that Opera outdid Chrome in Firefox's own test, now is that a mere coincidence or was that doctored as well in favor of Opera, btw, Firefox won that test followed by Opera and then Chrome. As I said, all these folks are die hard Chrome fanboys, ironically none of the Opera users ever go to Chrome threads and talk trash but then I guess these Chrome boys have to come down here and reaffirm their doubts and reassure themselves.

    Goodbye, no one will miss you, Opera won't, Opera users won't, enjoy the second fastest browser ie Chrome while we enjoy the fastest and most compliant ACID 100% winner browser that is OPERA :D
     
  2. Eice

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    I agree, it's not particularly flattering to be associated with a group of people whose modus operandi is to rely on flagrant ad hominem attacks and logical fallacies to try to bully and intimidate users with dissenting views into silence.

    Me, I just don't deliberately advertise the fact that I'm an Opera user to (hopefully) not get lumped together with those usual buffoons.
     
  3. vasa1

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    On a lighter note (since I hear the heavy footsteps of Mr. Moderator) here's a link to dissecting logical fallacies.
     
  4. nanana1

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    Funny and not sure why you will subject your choices or decision to use what you want to use because of "fanboys" issues.o_O

    Besides Opera, I also use IE, Firefox and Chrome browsers and have great respect for each of them which does different things for me. As for what IE, Firefox and Chrome have claimed, I would never say to any of them what you said here for Opera.:blink:
     
  5. Eice

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    Does anyone know where do I find Opera's bug tracker, or how to submit issues to them? I just tried the latest 10.70 build, but the same problem persists in Windows (not in Ubuntu, though... odd) and forced a downgrade back to 10.62. This is getting annoying.
     
  6. nanana1

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    Report your Opera bug here
     
  7. linuxforall

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    Very nicely put :thumb:
     
  8. linuxforall

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    The benchmarks are based on realistic tests, whatever IE9 may claim, it is yet to touch either Opera or Chrome. If you believe that its faster than Opera via its alleged use of hardware acceleration, by all means go ahead and use it, its your choice after all, just don't claim its faster than Opera. Along with spell checker, the biggest bane of IE always has been SECURITY and till track record shows otherwise, there will always be that question.
     
  9. guest

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    Oh well, Opera still didn't implement the "firefox live bookmarks" concept. :(

    In IE, the Favorites bar shows selected webslices, bookmarks, RSS Feeds and even different folders containing them. It has the great ability of showing a simple menu with the latest headlines!

    In Opera, I think that the equivalent of the IE Favorites bar is the Personal bar, which, unfortunately, only shows selected bookmarks and is therefore very limited.

    Also in Opera, the Mail Panel shows RSS Feeds, although when you click in one of them it opens the Opera Mail Feeds tab instead of simply showing a menu with the latest headlines.

    Also, IE 9 beta1 does a great job with its hardware acceleration, we can see the performance improvements in daily browsing and in tests as well.

    While Opera promoters would have a great difficulty in pointing out where Opera is still the fastest, besides in some not very realistic tests (ie. don't reflect the load time of webpages with high rate of visitors).

    But IE 9 beta1 lacks a native spellchecker, which is a shame I hope will get fixed someday.

    Anyways, IE 9 future betas are going to introduce some security features that will make Opera truly obselete on this matter, even more than it already is with its poor existing phishing/malware protection, unless it got severely improved very recently and I'm not yet aware.

    Also, already in IE 9 beta1, crashed tabs stay isolated from all other tabs, there is automatic recovery of crashed tabs and tab hang recovery with messaging and prompting when websites time out. Some crucial reliability features still not properly implemented in Opera, I think.

    ....Just making some points....
     
  10. linuxforall

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    Its obvious your favorite browser is IE9 which is fine, the points you make are releavant to users expecting IE like behavior from Opera, for those who use Opera, there is nothing amiss. As for reliability, the feature you mention is from Chrome, IE just borrowed it and as per Opera developers, that will never ever be implemented in Opera, they have their valid reasons for that, having said that, the presto engine apart from being the fastest and most compliant is also quite reliable, I get far less crashes than I get with Chrome on same system. As I said, its about choice, you can't tell one browser to go clone itself to another.
     
  11. guest

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    Don't confuse things, the points aren't only relevant to those expecting IE like behavior. The "live bookmark" was first a Firefox only thing and have been asked to Opera developers by several users since a long time ago, go search on Opera forum!

    To my knowledge, only the IE Team answered to the feedback of its users regarding the "live bookmark" suggestion, even improving on the initial Firefox implementation with, for example, the bolding of unread headlines.

    Don't spread FUD, the reliability features mentioned were first introduced in IE, tab isolation was firstly announced at IE Team Blog back in IE 8 beta times, before the Chrome project was even public known, although this is not relevant: the relevant thing is that IE has better implementation of these features than Chrome, plus some of these reliability features aren't even implemented in Chrome as of today.

    As for Opera being fastest, I ask you: are you considering the real world scenario? I bet the answer will be no, unfortunately.

    As for Opera being the most standard compliant, that depends on what you consider as a "standard". The IE folks tend to not consider some very early W3C drafts that will certainly change in the future as "standards". As a matter of fact, IE supports better the already true W3C standards, like CSS 2.1, than Opera.

    As for Opera being quite reliable, it's true that Opera gets less crashes, but it is also true that a wide number of webpages offers less support to Opera, plus Opera has far more compatibility issues, and also at the rare event of a crash, the whole Opera browser is taken down - always.
     
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    Yes real world scenario, Opera wipes IE9 butt and then more, no ifs and or buts, so does Chrome, both kill IE9, hardware acceleration notwithstanding. IE 9 is slower on most sites, specially multimedia rich ones when compared with Opera or Chrome.

    Anyways, this is Opera thread and you are a IE9 fan, no harm there except there is no point in comparing or trying to tell Opera devs to make it go the IE9 way, the solution is plain and simple, you like IE9, go ahead and use it by all means but don't try and tell Opera or Chrome to go the IE9 way please.

    Isolated process is Google Chrome feature and never ever was IE, its quite apparent your passions and fanboyism is taking precedence over sense here, don't go taking credit where its due, tabbed browsing is Opera first, read some history, isolated process is Google Chrome first, period.
     
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    Either discuss browsers in an adult manner or the thread will be closed.
     
  14. linuxforall

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    Let us all discuss Opera here please, not other browsers.
     
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    Let's all clean up the language while we are at it.
     
  16. guest

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    That's simple not true. IE 9 is way faster than both on most sites, thanks to several improvements and optimizations, including hardware acceleration. Chrome and Opera devs need to do a boatload of hard work, before their browsers catch up on what the hardware acceleration transformed IE's performance in.

    The "live bookmark" thing, as already said, was first a Firefox thing that have great appeal to users and that Opera still didn't implement, despite users wanting it so much.
    The reliability features that we see in IE 8/9 are very needed if you don't want the cons of not having them which are numerous.
    The support of very early W3C drafts can't be considered a thing to be proud of...

    Do you want to know more about the real history of isolated tab process in browsers? No problem, I present it to you with proves of my claims:

    IE Team talked about LCIE (Loosely-Coupled IE) back in 3 March 2008:

    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2008/03/11/ie8-and-loosely-coupled-ie-lcie.aspx

    IE Team presented IE 8 Beta 1, which included LCIE (Loosely-Coupled IE), back in 5 March 2008:

    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2008/03/05/internet-explorer-8-beta-1-for-developers-now-available.aspx

    While Chrome first beta version came out only in 2 September 2008:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome#Announcement

    There you get your facts. Now please, try to research more before spreading misinformation.
     
  17. iravgupta

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    Is there a way to make Opera save downloaded files in a particular location? It always points to My Documents folder in every new session.
     
  18. LoneWolf

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    From Opera menu,settings,preferences,advanced,downloads,then choose from the download folder,click on Ok.
    This does not save it?
     
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  19. linuxforall

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    http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/09/27/hash-tag-operawesome

    10.70 9053 for Win and Linux.

    Desktop/cross-platform
    DSK-299046 (Overlapping lines in address field dropdown)
    DSK-312986 (Crash when saving file while page redirects)
    DSK-313717 (Add opera:config#UserPrefs|EnableOnDemandPlugin to the Preference dialog)
    DSK-295433 (100% CPU when Links panel search finds more than 1 result)

    Windows
    DSK-311379 (Mouse panning not always working)
    DSK-311558 (Crash after leaving a tab with a flash with wmode="transparent")
    DSK-312213 (Random crash on Window systems with Aero disabled)
    DSK-314321 (“Use Opera as default browser” installer option causes a crash)

    Mac
    DSK-313323 (Standalone widgets crash on exit) (tested)
    DSK-312794 (Remove the separator between the address and search field, but keep some empty space as the resizer)
    DSK-313321 (Tools: Dragonfly menu entry incorrectly disabled)
    DSK-313248 (Edit commands not working in Content Blocker)
     
  20. vasa1

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    Any idea whether caret browsing is planned for future versions? If not, does anyone know why?
     
  21. m00nbl00d

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    After near two years with Chromium, I've been running Opera for some testing, and it's damn slow! First that it open a page... heck... With Chromium is straight away.

    What the heck happened to Opera?
     
  22. linuxforall

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    Chrome is slower to open pages here, Opera opens them quicker on average, only in certain Google pages does Chrome show some speed.
     
  23. linuxforall

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    Every tests done by respected sites reveal IE9 to be slower than Opera and Chrome and even FF4, no matter what your perceptions has a blatant fanboy suggests. With Google's resources, don't worry, if HW acceleration is really that useful, it will be implemented in real sense, same goes for the most innovative browser that is Opera.

    For the last time, isolated process is google chrome first and tabbed browsing is opera first, no matter what MS claims or you claim, history don't change, don't bring in MS sites as reference for facts on browser, specially on the speed factor.
     
  24. m00nbl00d

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    I guess I'm having a different experience... Before moving to Chromium, I have been an Opera user, and, back then, it was faster than it is now. Or, it could be a mind illusion, because I haven't been using for so long, though.
     
  25. guest

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    Hello, wake up to reality please. IE9 Beta is the current fastest browser in real-world scenario.

    It loses by a few ms in the Sunspider (not relevant), and the Peacekeeper doesn't yet fully support IE9 Beta, but in all other aspects of page rendering, IE9 Beta performance is far superior. It is also fastest in all aspects of startup time.

    As for other browser vendors presenting hardware acceleration, I hope to see full implementations, like the one presented in IE 9 Beta. They must do the complete work, otherwise IE 9 Beta will continue to lead.

    Stop deyning reality, those are official IE Team blog entries with date stamped, not random MS claims. You can search on index caches of every search engine to comprove that the dates aren't faked.

    Plus people that tested IE 8 Beta1 (millions of users) know that it had isolated process to tabs. This testing happened way before Google annouced Chrome and there are numerous texts in the web about it.

    Microsoft was the first to introduce separate process to tabs and, apart from numerous other online refereces prooving this, you can as well check the latest review of IE9 Beta made by PC Mag, where the editor says:

    "Internet Explorer 8 started a trend of browsers running tabs in more than one process, to prevent a total browser crash if one bad site acted up."
     
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