I guess I will be switching to a new software firewall very soon (using ZA free 6.1.744.1 right now) and have narrowed my choices down to Online Armor and PC Tools Firewall Plus (free versions). My present version of ZA doesn't support the new securtity update from MS and I would rather not update to the newest ZA due to its bloat and its nag screen among other things. My problem is that I have Threatfire on my systems right now and would really like to keep it. Both OA and PCT seem to have some HIPS type functionality and I have read (at least with OA) that there may be conflicts with TF. If I disable Program Guard in OA or Enhanced Security Verification on PC Tools can either then coexist peacefully with TF? If they can coexist would either one be a lot easier to use and configure for someone who only knows ZA? Seems that a simple firewall is a thing of the past as most have some HIPS functions in them now. I really only want the firewall function, so if I can't make one of these work with TF I may have to bite the bullet and just update ZA free. As far as I know even the new ZA version (free) has no HIPS. I mostly want a software firewall for outbound control as I am also behind a hardware firewall. Thanks in advance for any input.