O&O Defrag for SSDs

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  1. Surt

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    O&O Defrag 23
    Optimize Hard Disks And SSDs
    https://www.oo-software.com/en/products/oodefrag
    https://docs.oo-software.com/en/ood...gmentation-methods-ood23/solidcomplete-method
    https://docs.oo-software.com/en/oodefrag-23/standard-defragmentation-methods-ood23/solidquick-method
     
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  2. Minimalist

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    What benefit will this bring to SSD users? Will it improve speed? I doubt it. TRIM will take care of erased data, so I don't see much benefit.
     
  3. Rainwalker

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    Been using it for 24 hours. No testing. I see no difference at all.
     
  4. Marcelo

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    I tested on my computer's SSD. Took a long time to defrag and I really saw no difference in boot/shutdown time, program running delay or data access. Some people say it does make their computer faster so maybe it was just mine that didn't benefit.
     
  5. Circuit

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    Used it on win10. No faster than windows defrag.
    Plus it messed up the notifcation "safe to remove device", gone.
    On the shelf to collect dust.
     
  6. layman

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    Did you uninstall it? If so, did USB device removal return to normal?
     
  7. Circuit

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    Uninstalled it, might have restored from a backup.
    Removed some security programs (HMPA!, Eset), to figure out what program was responable.
    O&O Dfrag was the problem, no problems with it gone.
     
  8. layman

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    I am glad I saw your post. I have been plagued by a problem with USB Mass Storage Device removal. Ejecting a USB device threw the corresponding USB controller into an error state that made it impossible to shut down or restart Windows 10 normally. I have spent hours trouble-shooting the problem, cursing Microsoft and never suspecting O&O Defrag had anything to do with the issue. Uninstalling O&O Defrag does clear up the problem!

    I observed a different problem with the program when I updated version 22 to version 23 on an old 32-bit machine running Windows 7. The program starts a service at boot-up that is required by the defragger. After the update to vn 23, the service would stop unpredictably and for no apparent reason. Looking into that issue, I found complaints about that service mysteriously going poof in older versions of the program going back years. It would appear O&O lacks an adequate QC process.
     
  9. Spartan

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    I've been buying O&O Defrag since v17 then it seemeed liked a yearly subscription as they keep releasing a new version, no new features, and it doesn't do anything different than the built in Windows Defrag & Optimize tool which just performs a TRIM command if it detects a drive is an SSD. What's worse, is I've been asking them to support RAID since many new laptops these days are coming with RAID Setups (as in SSDs in RAID Mode) but they won't listen. If you have 2 SSDs in RAID it won't detect them as SSDs so not TRIM available it will run a regular defrag just like it was an HDD. With programs like PerfectDisk, you are able to right click on a drive and force select the optimization method to force it to think it's an SSD it you were on a RAID Setup.
     
  10. kaljukass

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    SSD drives are fully electronic and any kind of electric energy clouds cannot be never defragmented, they cannot be defragmented because everything stored there is at any time everywhere. That's the reason why they can't never run faster if they do it by default.
    The only way to make them run faster is to use more cleaner cristals.
    You can defragment only mechanical drives, but even this is absolutely useless, because after next restart is again everything messed up.
    In conclusion.
    In fact, no one ever needs any deframenter at all.
    However, if you plan to do such things on the SSD drive, it may result in the complete or partial destruction of the SSD drive. Fortunately, most SSD drives are protected from such nonsense. No HDD tools can be used there.

    Good defragmentation for those who have not yet realized that it is a brain-free activity.
    (60+ years old, education in physics and electronics engineering.)
     
  11. Spartan

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    Very well said.
     
  12. layman

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    If speed of access were the sole thing defragmentation accomplished, defragmenters would, indeed, serve little purpose. File systems that dynamically allocate the space required for a file are a great invention. But fragmentation begets fragmentation, and results in increasing disorder. Disorder has a cost in terms of space, not to mention that it's difficult to raise a fragmented file from the dead. Where SSDs are concerned, the cost of "wear and tear" is another consideration. Fragmentation may be convenient, but it's a form of clutter. Consider why mag tape continues to be far and away the cheapest archival storage medium. It's because it lacks clutter.
     
  13. Circuit

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    Went and purchased PerfectDisk, works great (no problems) notice slight improvement on both drives SSD, and HDD.
    Has a feature OptiWrite that keep the file from being fragmented is the first place.
    Check it out, has a video on their web site.
     
  14. Spartan

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    Yeah been using it for 2 years but I wonder why they haven't updated v14 since 2 years
     
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    Did not know that. Maybe because it works fine?
     
  16. Spartan

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    I guess. But as you know Windows 10 is not like Windows 7. You see, with Windows 7. If an app was made to work with Windows 7, it would work, no matter what updates you may have installed. With Windows 10, each new build often requires software developers to update their software for it to be compatible with the new build which is a big headache. That includes drivers sometimes too. This is why I am running Windows 10 LTSC 2019 which is based on build 1809 and gets updated only every couple of years.
    Anyway, if you're not facing any issues then that's great. What I also meant to say is usually they introduce some new feature with every major update, like from V12 to v13 to v14. I wonder why they have slowed down development it's a great app.
     
  17. Brummelchen

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    same view to the things as kuljakass - i do not defrag since years except i get some new versions to test out. about a decade spinning drives (hdd) are fast enough, nevertheless it could have benefits to defrag really large files like ISO oder movies, but nothing else. and in special SS-drives are only bits and bits on a flash memory, maximum a TRIM command for
     
  18. xxJackxx

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    In the days of Windows 98 this was one of the greatest tools ever. From Vista and forward I have found no difference in performance form running any 3rd party defragmenters. If you have a SSD there is more potential for bad than good. There is no spinning disk with larger and faster outer rings. Access time is the same regardless with which chips your data is stored on.
     
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