NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secret files reveal

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  1. noone_particular

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    Doesn't hurt my day in the slightest. I don't own or carry a smart phone, cell phone or any portable electronics of any kind. If they want to track me, they'll have to do it the old fashioned way. If you want to believe that these things aren't happening, be my guest.
     
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  4. mirimir

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    I'm not ready to trust that stuff either.

    With Guardian Rom, I might trust an Android. However, there's the problem that the user base might stay so small that merely using it would be a huge flag :(

    Will there be a stealth mode?
     
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  6. Mrkvonic

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    They have been happening since the dawn of humanity. That's exactly the point. There's nothing new or cool about this NSA thingie, except people being bored and loving the hype.

    I only claim the following:
    Not all bugs = backdoors, in fact far from it
    Conspiracy theories do not work
    Until clearly proven, all speculations about MS/Samsung/etc backdoors are just nonsense, just like security companies preaching about malware spread and all that usual crap.

    In other words, relax and enjoy life.

    Mrk
     
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    hi
    Geeks and some scientists in particular, especially young ones, often rely and focus on Technology...
    But the technology is the other hand of the Human.
    Since you are aware about the Hystory, the NSA gate should not be a surprise at all
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=1213034
    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24749166
    http://www.vice.com/read/a-brief-history-of-the-united-states-governments-warrentless-spying
    And the Museum of Spy is full of amuzing stuffs
    http://www.spymuseum.org/exhibition-experiences/in-the-exhibition/the-secret-history-of-history/

    Does the NSA helps to boost the security market with their Zero days?
    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...agency-policy-on-zero-day-exploits-to-senate/

    Regarding backdoors, this word tends to loose its original terminology.
    A backdoor in True Crypt does not mean the same things as a backdoor in Windows, on Cisco or on a Samsung Galaxy...
    In this case, i need to look to a NSA backdoor in my Nespresso coffee machine...singing The Spy, an appropriated Doors song
    http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/doors/thespy.html

    Rgds
     
  8. lotuseclat79

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    The US has lost the Internet's/world's trust.

    There will be many consequences.
     
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    From link mentioned in
     
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  13. mirimir

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    Re: Could Snowden End Up Breaking the World Wide Web?

    ... to the NSA, hopefully ;)

    How could they be any less secure than they are now?

    Or maybe the question is "How secure for whom?" ;)
     
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    I 100% agree. A lot of people I spoke to, educated too, vehmently deny any kind of economic fall out from what NSA has been doing. I suspect they are right perhaps with the immediate effects but in the long term US will loose a lot of money out of this nonsense.

    Interestingly I found this a pattern in general. A government agency XYZ is given unlimited power. Goverment agency XYZ abuses it instead of using it in moderation. XYZ looses all power and we are all at a great loss than when it would have been used in moderation.
     
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    A Close Look at the NSA’s Most Powerful Internet Attack Tool
     
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    IMO, that question needs to be applied to software and operating systems as well. Both are becoming openly hostile to user privacy to the point that "security" seems to translate to "storage of and access to user activity data".
    The only great loss here has been to democracy and freedom. In its current form, the NSA doesn't serve the country or the people. Somewhere along the line, its purpose changed from protecting the country to being the surveillance/enforcement arm of the powerful elite. I don't see it as something that can be reformed without completely separating it from the military and firing and prosecuting those who have subverted it from the top down. There's no great loss in dismantling a power structure that exists to serve itself and a few powerful elite.
     
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    @noone_particular

    I get your perspective.

    But I doubt that the rest of the world cares very much whether the NSA is working for everyone in the US vs some "elite" (or whatever). The point is what it's doing, not who its boss (if any) is.
     
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    --https://www.resetthenet.org/--
     
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    That's because they got help from Google ;)

    As I keep saying, read The Silicon Jungle: A Novel of Deception, Power, and Internet Intrigue by Shumeet Baluja, a Senior Staff Research Scientist at Google <http://research.google.com/pubs/author35.html>.

    It's an eye opener.
     
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...de9-11e3-a49e-76adc9210f19_story.html?hpid=z1
     
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