NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secret files reveal

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  1. Justintime123

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  2. Hermescomputers

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    All this is going to do is provide Non U.S. corporate setups an immense economic advantage both from a moral, and technical ventage point.

    If I was on the market for hosting or any communication based offering, I'd be looking elsewhere (Out of U.S..A.) as to protect myself against possible client based litigation when the smoke clears...

    I'm sensing an enormous backlash mounting in pressure, and counting on the population's idiot principle will eventually fail those pursuing this seemingly persistent degradation of liberty and privacy...
     
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    And hopefully that is exactly what happens because money seems to be the only thing that influences change in the US.
     
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    Yup. I hope US companies lose big. Some things are just that important.

    PD
     
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    http://www.spiegel.de/international...s-on-edward-snowden-by-us-media-a-911185.html
     
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  9. Hermescomputers

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    When corporate users take advantage of these free services from mega corporations, they unthinkingly open themselves up to corporate espionage...

    I mean who would not want full unmitigated access to covert intellectual property, engineering design and brainstorm data early?

    Now this is most obviously national level espionage via corporate intermediaries who must stand to benefit from such behavior otherwise they would not risk the forthcoming wrath from their own clients for having so blatantly breached their trust in such a way as to deserve a rather stiff punishment from the international community.

    If you are a scientist, Engineer, Designer, developer, or even an intellectual or politician and you use these services you obviously risk having compromised your employers intellectual properties. What more of a warning does the world need?

    They are consistently displaying such arrogance, and disdain for their own clients economic support over the long term.

    They deserve nothing less than full boycott of all their products, and services by the international consumer community...
    As a consumer class we cant really punish the government much but these idiots need to learn a lesson.
     
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    Running Linux would bypass all that, right?
     
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    Maybe there's a way to informatically identify and convert the sound produced by each key of the typewriter, into letters... Probably the good old pen and paper are still safest bet! Much better than super monster powerful anti-everything encryption, passwords, firewalls, antivirus, etc! I'm i being to paranoiac? :D

    Another subject.
    The name "Snowden" is already known worldwide, and i bet the the american TV's doesn't stop repeating it ad nauseam...

    But what i would like to know, is the name of much more relevant people, about who no one talks about.
    What are the names of the persons who run PRISM?
    What are the names of the persons that have access to the information collected?

    Those are the names that should be in in the mouths of the World.
    What are those people names?
    Anyone wants to talk about it? :)

    (do you feel reluctant? now you have an idea about how mass surveillance can impact on democracy... just a reminder to those who are still deluded with the "i have nothing to hide" fallacy...)
     
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    Removed Off Topic Posts. If this Thread Turns Into a Political Discussion, It Will Be Closed! It's Future Rests In Your Hands.
     
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    I sure hope that doesn't happen. This thread is one of the best (and my personal favorite) news sources for staying abreast of this unfolding saga.
     
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    Not the hardware firmware (BIOS, HDD, Network Adapter, etc.) or even the host protected area. It'd still be more secure than (non-steganographic) typewriters with encryption and no network or removable media access.
     
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    Right.

    But would it at least avoid new backdoors pushed through OS updates?

    Or do Linux distros push unverifiable stuff from Intel and AMD?
     
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    European commission backs Merkel's call for tougher data protection laws.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/15/european-commission-angela-merkel-data-protection
     
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    If such laws were generally adopted, it would be a nightmare for global companies :eek: It's probably common for national-security orders to bar disclosure.
     
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    Probably, but that depends on the distro. Many includes proprietary components (mostly Flash and codecs) for compatibility and functionality, especially the popular ones for newbies. Plus you may need proprietary drivers for your hardware.
     
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    Now your ideas, designs and other documented, intellectual property can be copied and carted off to some undisclosed area by unidentified individuals, to be perused, analyzed and otherwise pilfered, and you don't have a right to even know about it...

    There is something rather ominous about that isn't it?
     
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    https://blogs.technet.com/b/microso...emands-for-customer-data.aspx?Redirected=true
     
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    Microsoft Again Seeks to Rebut Spying Cooperation.
    http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/07/16/microsoft-again-seeks-to-rebut-spying-cooperation/

    Microsoft on NSA data requests: 'we need the Attorney General to uphold the constitution'.
    http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/16/4529124/microsoft-nsa-us-attorney-general-surveillance

    Microsoft: We do not give the NSA keys to bypass email encryption.
    http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-we-do-not-give-the-nsa-keys-to-bypass-email-encryption-7000018146/

    Microsoft appeals to AG Holder, cites Constitutional right to address spying controversy.
    http://www.geekwire.com/2013/micros...tutional-disclose-national-security-requests/
     
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