Norton/Symantec = worried ?

Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by CloneRanger, Sep 8, 2010.

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  1. begemot64

    begemot64 Registered Member

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    Care to respond to my questions, if you have the time?
     
  2. hckyo

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    what everybody must do is : Test By yourself ....
    i´m thinking in test NAV 2011 .. and then I will have a better opinion
     
  3. guest

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    I already replied you in the other thread. Please dont copy and paste the same thing in both with one is enough.
     
  4. dw426

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    Instead of being a smartass, how about you explain then? Using duplicate serial numbers is obviously a sign things aren't right. But, unless they are keeping watch over every single one of their thousands of users, how are they going to quickly know a key from a keygen is false?
     
  5. guest

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    1) Method, with every single def update the program check the integrity of the AV files and notify the status to the servers. Cracked version detected and version disabled from the server. This is what norton do when they want with the famous trial reseter.

    2) Tell me wich av can you make it full with just a keygenerator?.
    They keys that you can find on internet are keys being used for more than one person, if the AV companies detects that they send 1000 definitions to a AV licensed with the same number obiously there are 999 ilegal users, they can easily choose blacklist the key if they want, so you can no longer download definitons. (The famous blacklisted key of kaspersky, you get a key for 1 year and after 1 month is blacklisted, so is like if you used the trial version.)
    Also I would say that most of AV companies requires the use of their web and be online to register their product, so obviously you can not use a keygen.

    This are 2 simple ways to do it but I'm sure that the AV developer uses many others.
     
  6. JerryM

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    Hi hckyo,

    I am not sure what you mean by "Test By yourself." If you mean to see if it runs well on your computer then I agree. However, if you mean to test its protection, few of us can do that. I would much prefer to accept results such as AV Comparatives over any individual's test.

    Regards,
    Jerry
     
  7. begemot64

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    Sorry, did I miss your reply?! I only saw some mistaken post about the nature of zero day samples, not a reply to any of the questions asked...
     
  8. dw426

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    There, that wasn't so hard, was it? :D Sorry I got jumpy, but geez, lol. Okay, so, on to the topic. I HAVE had success in the past with keygens (as i said earlier, I don't do this anymore). The thing with keygens I've used, is that the numbers DO change by hitting the "generate" key. Now, that being said, the registered name doesn't change (say, the group that pirated the software), so perhaps that is what you are referring to, and makes sense. That being said, I went a LONG time on Avira, Avast, and Norton with these things. So it must be harder than thought to detect, or, it could be they don't pay THAT much attention to it even if they claim to.

    Kaspersky seems to be GREAT at detecting it, those keys never make it past day one no matter what method is used, so thumbs up to them. Anyway, back to the original topic, I was just curious. Pro hacker I'm not :)
     
  9. fsr

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    Ya it was all very discrete, none noticed a thing :D
     
  10. hckyo

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    Well I was focusing in the fact of performance and stability .. the protection I know is not easy to test .. those AV-C tests can give you the main idea .. but isn´t the same once the AV is in your PC :p

    cheers :thumb:
     
  11. JerryM

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    Thanks,
    Jerry
     
  12. Macstorm

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    Good question man, but..

    you should've known why by now ;)
     
  13. BG

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    cloneranger were you trolling when you started this thread? I noticed it 2 pages and you haven't been back. :)
     
  14. Judge Dee

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    Thanks for expressing my thoughts. The whole question was phrased to start a flame.
     
  15. begemot64

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    Pretty much.
     
  16. CloneRanger

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    No flames etc intended whatsoever ?

    I just found it strange that N/S have just had a number of very small and very selective tests done, and sponsored by them, all released round about the same time. I was attempting to gauge their MO, that's all.

    If others have posted with OT comments unrelated to the topic, that's not my doing, or wish.
     
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    With trial reset is more difficult but keygenerators and cracks, yes. I know companies that can perfectly distinguish between keygen 'unique' serials and 'unique' legit serials (not by the username used, lol) ;) . Of course, both will work up to when the company decide the contrary.
    offtopic OFF
     
  18. dark456

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    This whole thread is Fail. Sorry i am not a Big Norton fan but even i can see this is a troll thread.

    Norton 2009-2011 are excellent products, i have paid and tested all 3 of them.

    As far as 0day Malware, I have tested about 200 unique samples. I will tell you why none of them bypassed . 195 samples were detected and deleted automatically, the other 5 Norton told me not to run these files because there is no information about them and that they should be considered dangerous. I think that is a very fair situation for any regular PC user.

    I can easily re-compile my Malware sample to be fully undetected by Norton, even at run time if i wanted too. I can do that against any anti-virus company. So you just have to be careful what you download and execute.

    There is no Anti-Virus company that can protect you 100%. You have to use a small part of you're brain when you are downloading files. Most online files that auto execute are usually detected and blocked.
     
  19. clocks

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    Well said.
     
  20. steve1955

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    If Symantec avoided every test some would say they are frightened of the competition,you seem to feel they had these tests slanted in their favour for the same reason?If these tests were discovered to be "bogus" don't you think their competitors would seize on it and make a meal of it?
     
  21. trjam

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    All of this kills me. I have no doubt these tests are real. The reality that allot of us just don't wont to admit is, that Norton has risen to the top in a very mighty fashion. They have the money, they have the resources and if they had not achieved the statue they have risen to, I would be a little worried on who is writing the checks.

    There are a total of 5 vendors that over the next 3 years that even remotely have what it takes to compete with Norton. That is the sad but plain truth. So think what you want, they earned it, they got it it, and until someone of the other 5 are willing to invest the enormous of amount of resources to go after them, well, in about 24 months, we will all have the yellow and black.
     
  22. clocks

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    McAfee is long over due to pull a Norton, and totally revamp their offering.
     
  23. trjam

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    But yet they dont do it and to be honest, they are not even one of the five I see surviving.:cautious:
     
  24. 3GUSER

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    Hi trjam!

    Please share your opinion and name these 5 vendors , thank you!
     
  25. JerryM

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    That would trigger an argument that would get the thread closed.

    Regards,
    Jerry
     
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