It's hard to be civil when, Dennis Zhidkov called users with problems beginner level hackers - as seen on Cnet; even they've been battling with Starforce. That was the straw that broke the cammel's back. So, to me it's hard not to be emmontional, we are human after all. Gamers spend boatloads of cash on their systems and games. When something as invasive as Starforce threatens their systems, of course they will react with passion. It's not all about destroying Starforce, we just want some respect from the people we made rich. We've asked them to atleast label the box with the Starforce logo, or similar, so we have a choice. Another reason: if these companies are so proud of this product and think it helps them to cut down on piracy, then please, share the news. But there's been no response to that either, leading to further frustration. We've tried to comminicate with Ubi in private threads, gathering user's problems via email at the request of the publisher. When presented with the findings, the door was shut in our face by the Ubi. What are we supposed to think? Where do we turn? Starforce doesn't want to address the problems, they've made that clear time and time again. When I see, gaming magazines denouncing Starforce, gamespot moderators commenting on how disgusted they are with this company, you start to think something's wrong and we're not a bunch of witch hunters as some perceive.