No more individual patches for Windows 7 and 8

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  1. JRViejo

    JRViejo Super Moderator

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    That is puzzling since I installed the 2018-09 Rollup already:

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  2. Stupendous Man

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    Oh, yes, that is puzzling, and unexpected.
    I installed the 2018-09 Rollup, and I do not get the 2018-09 Preview offered.
    As you didn't yet install the MSRT update and the update for .NET Framework, I guess you didn't yet get the KB3177467 servicing stack update offered. I installed all that, including the KB3177467 servicing stack update. Perhaps that servicing stack update is what makes the difference?


    Edit:
    You installed the (September 11) 2018-09 Rollup, but the (September 20) 2018-09 Preview is more recent.
    If the 2018-10 Rollup is pulled, the 2018-09 Preview is the most recent that is available.
    I suppose that is why the 2018-09 Preview is offered, if the 2018-10 Rollup is pulled.
     
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  3. JRViejo

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    OK, that sounds about right, although by Oct 2, the date of my installation, one would think that the most current update would be offered. Thanks. :thumb:
     
  4. SC839

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    Thank you for the patches!
     
  5. blacknight

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    I installed KB3177467 and rebooted the pc: Now trying to install KB4462915 ( Windows 7 64 Bit ) it says " impossible to apply the update to the pc ".
     
  6. emmjay

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    Which KB3177467, the September 2016 version or the October 2018 version?
     
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    Sorry, I forgot it: the October version. I always only install Security Only Quality Update.
     
  8. emmjay

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    - So you received KB3177467 from Windows Update?
    Did you have to ctl-alt-del at the end of one of the configuration stages? Did it install successfully (pl. check)?
    - Then you tried to manually install KB4462915 and you received that weird message, not 'this update is not applicable for this PC' ?
    Was there an error code with that message?
     
  9. blacknight

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    No, I downloaded KB3177467 from this thread. No error code, only the message. But today I tried to install the other patch and they run. I can't understand. :doubt::doubt:
     
  10. emmjay

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    Now you have lost me. I was not aware that KB3177467 (SSU V2) was offered as a direct download from this thread. Is this update showing as successfully installed on your system?

    KB4462915 (W7 Oct security only update, 32 and 64) is offered as a direct download from this thread - and you downloaded the 64 bit version for a 64 bit PC? It has now installed successfully or not?
     
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    Here, post 599.
    1 I installed KB3177467 after the download from link in post 599 here.
    2 then yesterday I tried to install KB4462915 ( link in post 599 here ) but I couldn't ( see my post 630 here ).
    3 this morning I successfully installed KB4462915.
     
  12. emmjay

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    @blacknight. OK, so post 599 took you to the catalog where you downloaded the patch. Tnx.
    Glad you got KB4462915 installed successfully.
     
  13. Dragon1952

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    After i just installed the monthly MRT 830 update, my Oct .Net was pulled and now MS gave me that kb3177467 update. All i have now is this 467 update after they pulled my W7 Oct Rollup and the Oct .net rollup was just pulled and i was given the 467 update.
     
  14. FanJ

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    I installed those updates with lots of reboots between them, one by one.
    I didn't see any problem.

    Later I installed the October 2010 fix for KB3177467 (version 2) manually.
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...r-windows-7-sp1-and-windows-server-2008-r2-sp

    The one for 64-bit:
    2018-10 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3177467)
    Code:
    http://download.windowsupdate.com/d/msdownload/update/software/crup/2018/09/windows6.1-kb3177467-v2-x64_b9df2405e7e034e3ffda160fff99a36ab96ba187.msu
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    No problems again. A reboot was not needed but I did lots of them anyways.

    Some more links at the Bork Tuesday thread:
    https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/bork-tuesday-any-problems-yet.370217/page-183#post-2787318
    https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/bork-tuesday-any-problems-yet.370217/page-183#post-2787323
     
  15. emmjay

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    Windows Update appears to be a bit of a mess right now on W7. It is probably related to the last 2 pages of discussion in this thread. The changes made by the windows update team to the servicing stack update may be at issue. When these changes are not done carefully, windows update can get corrupted. It appears to be corrupted- it is spitting out garbage. This will have to be resolved at the server end, not at the user end. Don't install anything offered until more is known.
     
  16. Dragon1952

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    Woody posted on Twitter today about the W7 Oct update issues.
     
  17. Kerodo

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    Somehow I got lucky and updated last Tuesday, the first day they were out, and had no problems at all. The October Quality Rollup and the MSRT were installed first, then after that I was offered that other 3177467 update and it installed no problems either. I'm running with those updates a week later, and no problems. So it's a bit hard for me to understand what's going on with all this, but I guess I'm ok..... No further updates have been offered since Patch Tuesday.
     
  18. emmjay

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    In checking out the info in the previews for W7 today...

    Solved - KB3177467 (v2 SSU) is not being bundled with KB4462927 (Preview of Monthly Rollup) as some pundits were thinking it might. It is apparent that windows update can not manipulate the sequencing to make that happen. The SSU v2 is still a prereq and standalone patch. It has to go first.

    NB: Don't install previews - wait for them to become next month's patch. Previews are for crash test dummies.

    The W7 security-only ninjas will have to install both the October and November bundle to get everything. Do not expect SSU v2 to be bundled in the November 2018 security-only patch even though it has been categorized a security patch. As an 'exclusive', SSUs will always remain a standalone patch for those doing manual installs.
     
  19. Dragon1952

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    How about the Oct .net W7 Rollup. Is it ok to install it now.
     
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    Looks to me Microsoft is all turned around and scrambling up what should be an orderly pattern of putting them together in one whole roll up.
     
  21. emmjay

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    If you have SSU v2 installed and you were offered the Oct net rollup via windows update after SSU v2 installed successfully, you should be OK to go. NB: As it is cumulative, all the oct patches will be in nov rollup anyway. Missing a month or two matters very little, unless a critical vulnerability exists in the Oct monthly that you feel must be immediately addressed on your system.

    All maintenance is a risk. There are no guarantees even if a patch installs successfully on 99% of all systems. Every system is unique.
     
  22. Dragon1952

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    Why is .net rollup optional if it is for security issues.
     
  23. emmjay

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    If it is a preview it will be optional. If it is the Oct net monthly, it should no longer be optional. Don't install it if it is optional or unchecked. There are still some problems being reported concerning windows update spitting out garbage. You could try resetting windows update or clearing the windows update cache if you think the problem is at your end. Consider it a last resort.
     
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  24. Stupendous Man

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    @Dragon1952 ,
    Which .NET Framework Rollup do you refer to?

    Do you mean October 9 KB4459922 Security and Quality Rollup updates for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1, and 4.7.2 for Windows 7 SP1 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1,
    or do you mean October 18 KB4462500 October 2018 Preview of the Quality Rollups for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1, and 4.7.2 for Windows 7 SP1 and Server 2008 R2 SP1?

    As you mention security, I guess you refer to KB4459922, "Security and Quality Rollup updates for .NET Framework".

    October 9, I got KB4459922 offered as unchecked optional 'recommended' update. That was because in Windows Update I have "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates" unchecked. Because of that, I get 'recommended' updates offered as optional, 'recommended'.
    If on your system in Windows Update you have "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates" unchecked, that may probably be the reason why you get KB4459922 offered as optional 'recommended' update.

    With a default Windows installation, in Windows Update "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates" is checked by default. In that situation, 'recommended' updates are offered as 'important'.

    I don't know why KB4459922 "Security and Quality Rollup updates for .NET Framework" was offered as 'recommended' update and not as a true 'important' security update.
     
  25. Dragon1952

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    Yes i have the 9922 update. I have the give me the recommended updates the same way as important ones UNCHECKED.
     
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