New test - pcwelt ?

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  1. tsilo

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  3. tsilo

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    Re: New tests?

    Ok thanks :)
     
  4. MalwareDie

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    Re: New tests?

    Makes me wonder why every AV is placed in the same order for every category.
     
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    Re: New tests?


    To make it easier to read? I think the listing/order is done by "overall" detection %'s. So for example, WebWasher highest overall detection % gives it rank 1 and eTrust-VET overall % gives it rank 29.
     
  6. 212eta

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    Re: New tests?

    There are tests conducted by a legitimate German IT Portal.
    They are testing new products unlike the Dead-Slow [www.av-comparatives.org],
    which insists on conducting retrospective (i.e. repetitive) tests on outdated products
    like NOD32 v2.7, BitDefender 10 while everybody wants to find out about NOD32 v3,
    BitDefender 2008 etc.
    www.virusinfo.info and www.chip.de are also good sources.
     
  7. lucas1985

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    Re: New tests?

    Sorry to sound a little harsh, but you need to do your homework before pointing fingers. AV-Comparatives' retrospective test uses AVs "frozen" 3 months ago. NOD32 v3 didn't exist 3 months ago.
     
  8. IBK

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    Re: New tests?

    I already tried to explain him this - without success.
    It is also debatable if a proactive rate really changes drastically over the time. If we look at previous retrospective tests, the results are usually always more or less the same (if not new heuristics etc. are released).
     
  9. 212eta

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    Re: New tests?

    What's the point of testing and re-testing "frozen" AV, and in fact, twice a year?
    Speaking about HOMEWORK, have you checked what others are testing?

    Everybody is interested in the new nod32, BitDefender etc; not the old versions.
    For your information, I used to be a member of the av-comparatives.org Forum.
    Allow me to know -from inside- what is going on there...
     
  10. IBK

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    Re: New tests?

    according to the TOS, insults are not allowed there, so you got simply banned.
     
  11. 212eta

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    Re: New tests?

    No problem! I found no interest there anymore!
    If retrospective tests -and the proactive ones as well- do not change over time
    (how would they if the same products are used over and over again),
    then tests are done for the...tests...
    Excume me if I questioned your authority...
    It needs a lot of courage to go against the tide...
     
  12. IBK

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    Re: New tests?

    I still think you do not get the point. :doubt:
    For results with up-to-date products, see tests of February and August.
    For knowing the proactive detection rates, see retrospective tests of May and November.
     
  13. C.S.J

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    Re: New tests?

    i do it all the time :D

    im sure your questions will be answered if you tone it down a little bit and just 'ask' :shifty:
     
  14. 212eta

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    Re: New tests?

    Believe me I am aware the difference between these two (2) tests.
    For the last days, I went over them 1-by-1!
    What I pointed out was the need to move to new products FASTER!!!

    You still do NOT get the point...

    <Every Authority, resists to Change and fights back the ones who favor Change>

    From the ancient Greek Philosopher Socrates
     
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    Re: New tests?

    @212ETA - I think you need to re-read the information on AV-Comparatives. There's some really good information on there about the tests and why they are conducted as they are. I've been monitoring these tests for the last couple of years and as far as I remember IBK is always up to date with testing new versions of AVs. In any case the perfomance often doesn't change anyway with new versions as the AV signatures seem to be the primary driver of performance.

    Seriously, when everybody else is telling you you're missing the point and you're the lone voice, does it not make you think that maybe you've misunderstood things? I'm sure plenty of people on here will be willing to help you understand.

    Cheers
     
  16. C.S.J

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    Re: New tests?

    if nod32 3.0 was released 'before' the signatures were FROZEN, it would have been tested this time around.

    you cant just say, its november, its out... so test it.
    this invalidates THIS test as its the retrospective test.

    as for on-demand tests, it applies again... if its released (any new version for any AV) before signatures are frozen, it will be tested.
     
  17. 212eta

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    Re: New tests?

    If -some of you- are completely satisfied with the results and the methodology of the av-comparatives.org,
    it doesn't mean that everybody else has to do so.
    When you see -how the results of other testing-sites are changing dramatically-,
    you may realize what I mean.
    I see that some of you follow a specific pattern of thought regarding the AV signatures etc.
    Allow others to have a different opinion; unless you believe that everybody has to agree with you.
    As far as the common fallasy: You-the-"loner" vs. the Many ones, I prefer -with all the respect- Quality over Quantity!
     
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  18. C.S.J

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    Re: New tests?

    i dont know who you are, but you really do talk alot of ****. :rolleyes:

    if you dont like the tests, dont look at the results.

    if you want to make suggestions to av-comparatives, thats fine, but do so in a different manner.

    what is it that you actually want doing, or have i missed it?
     
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    Re: New tests?

    :thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:


    Halleluiah!!!

    Now, C.S.J we are 2 against...the tide...
     
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    Re: New tests?

    ok, so if you're really correct, please provide:

    1. Date of AV Comparatives test
    2. Date of AV signatures in test
    3. AV version and date it was released

    If 3 is substantially less than 2 (e.g. AV released (final release not beta release) in June 2007 and the signatures in the test are from August 2007, but the old version of the AV was used) then it would be fair to ask why this was so. And IBK will probably provide a good reason why.

    If you can't provide this information then you're just an idiot trying to cause trouble.
     
  21. C.S.J

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    Re: New tests?

    i really dont understand what you mean,

    or what you want.........

    nod 3.0 was not released before the sigs were frozen (im sure IBK will confirm), but i dont think it was, so i dont think it will be in these next results.

    thats what you want though right, nod32 3.0 in this test?
     
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    Re: New tests?

    212eta you misread what CSJ wrote you. He said that it would invalidate the test if new versions would be used in the retrospective test.

    In the tests of February and August, the LASTEST available versions at testing date (5th August) are used. This means the very latest available product versions and updates.You can be also sure that no vendor is going to submit an old product to the tests.
     
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    Re: New tests?

    212ETA - CSJ wasn't agreeing with you, he was telling you why you were WRONG.
     
  24. C.S.J

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    Re: New tests?

    lol, this is fun :)
     
  25. dNor

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    Re: New tests?

    Thanks to OP and The Hammer for showing me this test.

    As to 212eta, I really wish I knew what the hell was going on. Maybe his complaints about AV-Comparatives should be in a different thread or something. Seems he doesn't like their methodology. o_O
     
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