New keylogger tests from Zemana

Discussion in 'other anti-malware software' started by aigle, Aug 21, 2008.

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  1. trjam

    trjam Registered Member

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    I understand and apologize for my remark. I cant answer your question, but hopefully someone can.
     
  2. truthseeker

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    Yeah, I was hoping there is a free program that encrypts everything typed using the keyboard.
     
  3. ChrisP

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    I just tested it and it did not block any of them - it failed every test.
     
  4. truthseeker

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    So much for that :p :thumbd:
     
  5. ChrisP

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    Try it for yourself - It does not stop anything - unless I did something wrong?
     
  6. vijayind

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    Ok, so let me understand this. You use Ubuntu VM for netbanking and you fear that a keylogger might infect Ubuntu ... o_O
    In that case, you can use some virtual keyboard in FF for Linux. Like:
    http://imtranslator.net/keyboard.asp


    PS: If you are running a Guest OS ,then a keylogger hooked in the Parent OS can not read type stokes done in the Guest OS. The keylogger will have to make a hook in the Guest OS also, to work ;)
     
  7. vijayind

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    Are you by any chance using Vista ? :doubt:
     
  8. ChrisP

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    Nope, XP
     
  9. truthseeker

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    Ubuntu cannot be infected with any keylogger. However, because I run vista as host, whatever is entered into the keyboard, whether I am in Vista or ubuntu, will be picked up.

    And are you indicating that if Vista was infected with a keylogger, that it's impossible to pick up keys typed into Ubuntu?

    P.S That link doesn't support Ubuntu Linux. The website says, Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP MS IE 5.x or higher Firefox 1.5 or higher. Macintosh
    Firefox 1.5 or higher.
     
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  10. vijayind

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    Yes, it is. Since a Keylogger in Vista will hook onto the Windows Kernel, not linux kernel. Just because you run Linux in a VM, it doesn't mean it will send your keystokes over to windows. Both are seperate (in a virtual way).
    For example, a GetKeyState on Vista will work only if Window receives info about the Key State. But it never will, its received by only Ubuntu and processed accordingly.
    Just try any Keylogger test app. It will fail to read the keystrokes from the Virtual OS.
    Well, the site says:
    Plus its a JavaScript based keyboard, so it will work on any browser (regardless of OS) which can support JS. Like Firefox, Konqueror,K-Melon, etc.
     
  11. vijayind

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    Thanks. I had trialed PrevX earlier on Vista. Their Vista offering is still in beta and has some issues with UAC.
    Thats why I asked, thanks ;)
     
  12. truthseeker

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    The security professionals on freenode disagree with you.

    So I have no idea who to believe :p
     
  13. vijayind

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    Believe in your self ;)
    Just test it out, with some keylogger tests like ATK, Zemana. Also try some commercial keyloggers like Refrog.
    Then conclude.

    Hypothetically every piece of software can be compromised. But I don't see it happen everyday. Only setups which will yield any gain will be exploited. That's why there are literally no viruses for OSX, even when it has plenty of holes. So unless you have a few millions in that bank account of yours, realistically I don't see any malware/attack hook onto your Ububtu VM anytime soon.
     
  14. ChrisP

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    How do you get Prevx to pick up all the tests? I would like to experement with this app - can anyone help?
     
  15. farmerlee

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    Well i just tried it out and surprisingly the zemana keylogger is unable to record anything entered into the virtual machine. All the aklt keylogging tests fail as well. Very interesting.
     
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    [partial oftopic]
    would it be correct to assume that host and guest instances on a virtual machine are pretty much seperate computers?

    Can an infected host infect a guest instance?
    (I assume 99.99% of all malware that infects a guest can't infect the host, otherwise malware testers would not use VM's for testing)
    [/partial offtopic]

    Do they usually bundle keyloggers with other infector types?

    Are there any malwares that can infect VM file types? ( The stored vm session .vxd )
     
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  17. vijayind

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    Keystokes/Processing done by Guest OS are not passed onto the Parent OS by VM. They terminate inside the VM itself. That's why any Windows Logger will not be able to read from VM OS.

    But hypothetically such attacks can happen. Since for the parent OS, VM is a running process. The only way for that would be for the malware/attacker to hook onto the VM and thereby intercept/read calls done to hardware. But IMO, such attacks are unlikely as such scenarios are nonviable for malware writers .

    As of today, no such VM hooking programs exist. And existing malware, can't go out of or go into a VM environment.
     
  18. vijayind

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    They all use GetKeyState or similar windows calls to get the keystrokes.
    But when using a VM, only the VM environment will receive user input and the VM will directly communicate with hardware. So no intercept.

    You can only intercept, if you manage to drill into the VM. Good luck with that :thumb:
     
  19. BrendanK.

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    NIS 2009:
    Key Logger Simulation Test - - - - - FAIL
    Screen-Logger Simulation Test - - - FAIL
    Webcam Logger Simulation Test - - DID NOT TEST
    Clipboard Logger Simulation Test - - FAIL
    SSL Logger Simulation Test - - - - - POC not Available so far

    Mamutu:
    Key Logger Simulation Test - - - - - PASS?
    Screen-Logger Simulation Test - - - PASS?
    Webcam Logger Simulation Test - - DID NOT TEST
    Clipboard Logger Simulation Test - - PASS?
    SSL Logger Simulation Test - - - - - POC not Available so far
    [GLOW="red"]
    ?=Gave a paranoid warning
    [/GLOW]
     
  20. vijayind

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    Wow, I expected NIS 2009 ( now with Norton Anti-bot integrated ) to atleast pass keylogger test o_O
    Guess, Symantec has toned down NAB in NIS 2009 to avoid popups or hysteria !!
     
  21. jrmhng

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    Are there sandboxie settings that will allow the keylogger test to run in a sandbox but not allow it to see key strokes typed outside the sandbox?
     
  22. Pseudo

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    You can setup Sandboxie so that new keyloggers can't live.
     
  23. jrmhng

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    I've done that already for my browsing sandbox.

    I do have a test sandbox that allows anything to run however hooks, drivers etc are blocked. What worries me is that when the keylogger runs in the test sandbox it is able to read keystrokes globally. Is there a way to stop this?
     
  24. Pseudo

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    Since Sandboxie doesn't allow drivers, that eliminates some keyloggers. Otherwise, yes, keyloggers will function in the sandbox (until you empty it). I hope Sandboxie looks into anti keylogging in the near future.
     
  25. jrmhng

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    Well my test sandbox has the following configurations:

    Enabled=y
    ConfigLevel=4
    AutoRecoverIgnore=.part
    AutoRecoverIgnore=.jc!
    BlockWinHooks=y
    BlockDrivers=y
    BlockFakeInput=y
    LingerProcess=trustedinstaller.exe
    LingerProcess=acrord32.exe
    LingerProcess=jusched.exe
    LingerProcess=syncor.exe
    LingerProcess=devldr32.exe
    LingerProcess=wuauclt.exe
    DeleteCommand="C:\Windows\System32\sdelete.exe" -p 3 -s "%SANDBOX%"

    If the key logger test is run in the sandbox, it has global reach. That's kind of worrying!
     
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