New Antiexecutable: NoVirusThanks EXE Radar Pro

Discussion in 'other anti-malware software' started by sg09, Jun 3, 2011.

  1. bjm_

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    Resolved by changing SBoxie and VS to Automatic (no delay) Must have observed partial loading. Thanks as always. :)

    1) ERP Alert Mode ~ Whitelist Process or Whitelist Command Line. Whitelist Process is listed first in drop down. Does that infer best option. When may I want to select one over the other ?

    2) Block processes signed with invalid or revoked certificate. Default is not checked. Why would I want to allow processes signed with invalid or revoked certificate.

    3) Signed Processes has three options. No | Allow with valid certificate | Allow only by trusted vendor. Trusted vendor is default. Why?
    Wouldn't a valid certificate be safer or does that option have to presume certificate is not forged / stolen.
    Is it safer to globally trust a vendor over a valid certificate ?
     
  2. Peter2150

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    Hi bjm

    Glad that got fixed.

    1. On alert mode. When the alert pops up, look at what it is. If it is simply xyz123.exe wants to run, then just whitelist the process. But if it has a long command string, that easily could change, then white list the command line. A good example of this as well as an example of another powerful feature is the wildcard feature, is the string when sandboxie exits, and delets the sand box.

    C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe /c rmdir /s /q "?:\*\__Delete_*"

    It is hardly recognizable, because when it runs it can be from any drive, hence the ?, from any folder hence the \*\ and more significantly every time it is invoked it has a unique 16 digit number which always chances hence the delete_* Without the wild cards or command line whitelist you would go nuts.

    2. Since it is now happening, that bad guys forge certificates, and put a good certificate on malware, I don't even have it check signatures.

    3. Here. For the same reason, I set that to no.

    The I operate is since I use Appguard, I can safely assume nothing is in any system area, that I didn't specifically allow to be there, so I whitelist everything in those areas. That way when I get an alert that I didn't do anything to generate, I look at it very carefully.

    Pete
     
  3. bjm_

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    WOW ! Great reply. So, signatures and certificates may not be worth the paper. I've read about forged / stolen + malware with good cert. Just figured it was still worth checking. But, I do see truth in your setup. I think I'll go back to Default > Whitelist Running Processes and proceed from there with new knowledge re Process v Command Line. I want to familiarize myself before I go Lockdown.

    Haven't found explanation of Stealth feature / function ?

    Thanks so much ~ As always
     
  4. Peter2150

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    I don't use it. I think what it does is hide itself so people won't know it's there.
     
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    Andrew, how is progress going with the latest build? Do you have an estimate of when the next build of ERP might be released?
     
  6. Rasheed187

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    BTW, on one of my machines I found something weird. It seems like ERP is blocking a nameless executable, I also can not blacklist it. And the parent is strangely enough "svchost.exe" (the legitimate one). But it's not detected as a virus, when I search for the hash on VT, I get this:

    ~ Removed VirusTotal Results as per Policy ~
     
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  7. bjm_

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    Hello Wilders friends,

    Does ERP protect against malware exploiting a whitelisted program’s process memory.

    Does ERP protect the whitelisted program’s process (in memory) while the program is running.

    For example > if Adobe Reader opens a PDF file containing Malware, this malware will poison the memory of Adobe Reader (not the file on the hard drive) and then attack other components of the system.

    What say ye' ERP
     
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  8. bjm_

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    So, upon further experience with your added help. I see simple exe's but, I also see exe's with simple and complex command line that run off the window.
    What happens if I Allow a process when I really should have Allowed the command. Will I be prompted at some point again and have to remember how I handled the first prompt.
    TIA as always :)
     
  9. Peter2150

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    Yes. If you just allow the process and it is one of the protected processes it will alert again, and then just allow the command line and you will be good to go.

    Pete
     
  10. bjm_

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    Well, "good to go" may be premature as I'm often in Shadow Mode :argh:
     
  11. Peter2150

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    ROFL. Yep that has a way of undoing what you've done. Assuming what you are doing is safe, you might go thru it once unshadowed and that will get everything set up.
     
  12. bjm_

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    Yeah, .. but, .. um....where's the challenge :D:argh:
     
  13. Rasheed187

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    For the mod who removed the link:

    To clarify, none of the AV's detected anything, so no one could start a discussion about some AV being crappy. I posted it, because I wanted to know if anyone has ever seen this highly weird stuff. I'm not sure if it's really a virus infection, or perhaps it's just spyware from Windows 8 itself? Let me know if I can repost the link.
     
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    @Cutting_Edgetech

    We are finishing few fixes in the startup section, I'll update this thread very soon :)

    @bjm_

    No, ERP is an anti-executable / application whitelisting software, after that you allow a process, ERP does not monitor its memory.

    You can use EMET 5.1 to protect vulnerable processes (IE, PDF readers, Email readers, Word/Excel, media players, etc) from memory-exploits.
    http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=43714

    If the malware is dropped to disk and then executed, ERP will block/detect it.

    You can combine ERP with a process-memory-protector like EMET 5.1 and/or AppGuard (other users use this combination), or with MBAE or HMP, etc.

    Best is to use different layers of protection :)

    @Rasheed187

    Are you using the latest beta or the v3.0 from our website ?

    @bjm_

    Personally, I have enabled the option "No" as I personally do not trust certificates, however this is for paranoid users.

    It has happened only very few times that a malware was able to steal (for example) Adobe certificate to sign the malware files.

    Even in the (rare) case it would happen, in few hours the certificate would be revoked/blacklisted and so blocked by almost any security software.

    Beginner users should enable the option "Allow only processes signed by Trusted Vendors" to reduce the prompt dialogs.

    @pablozi

    Sure, ERP is still alive, just a little slower in the development recently due to some other works.

    @Frank the Perv

    If you add in the whitelist all the processes that your wife would run daily, and if you whitelist also all command-lines that require wildcards, and if you leave checked the option "Signed processes" -> "Allow only processes signed by Trusted Vendors", then I would say yes, she would receive almost no prompt dialogs at all. Only in case a program would auto-update and if it may require cmd.exe (a vulnerable process) to run some unknown command-line string, then you may need to take an action, but it should not be frequent.
     
  15. Rasheed187

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    No, I'm using an older version because of the bug on Win 8.1, but I'm glad to see you back! When will you release the new version with hopefully the "install mode" and fix for the "whitelisting" bug? Also, I will send you a PM about the strange nameless executable (launched by svchost.exe) that EXE Radar blocked.
     
  16. Peter2150

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    Hi Andreas

    Good to see you buddy. This gem just keeps trucking along.

    Pete
     
  17. novirusthanks

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    @Rasheed187

    I could not reproduce the issue in Windows 8.1 about not saving the whitelists, however I have improved the saving of lists that may fix that issue.

    I'll wait your PM about the info of the strange nameless executable blocked by ERP.

    @Peter2150

    Thank you :)
     
  18. Cutting_Edgetech

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    Ok, thank you for the update.
     
  19. Rasheed187

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    OK, in that case I will install the latest version.
     
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    Good to see you Andreas, I hope your holiday's were good. I can't wait for a new version of ERP!
     
  22. Peter2150

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    Just a minor update. I have ERP running in a win 10 VM. It's running very well.
     
  23. bjm_

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    Would this String work as well > C:\Windows\System32\cmd.exe /c rmdir /s /q "C:\Sandbox\bjms\__Delete_DefaultBox_*"
     
  24. Peter2150

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    I think so, but why bother. The other string is there since you installed. I was just showing you an example.

    Pete
     
  25. bjm_

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    Aha ! didn't realize that was an example. So, just the * for the numbers will satisfy. I added the string to VS because I was going nuts as you say. #4002
     
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