Net Framework, eek!

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  1. emmjay

    emmjay Registered Member

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    I have read that MS Developers use Net Framework to create and deploy applications for MS. It is the MS equivalent of Java, however unlike 'Sun' Java which can be removed or disabled without much impact on a user's browsing experience, it is not that way with Net Framework. An app pop-up informs you that you need Net Framework, a certain release or many releases in order to use the application. One is locked out until the prereq is met.

    I thought that I did not need Net Framework as I do not use IE, but I was wrong. As IE is integrated into the OS, it generates a ton of security updates whether you use it or not and then Net Framework in turn generates huge and persistent updates as well. They out-do Java by a mile.

    I have 55.9MB in security updates just today for IE and NF combined. My X64 system is awaiting over 280MB just for IE and NF, as I have not applied these updates for just over 3 months. In reading other posts on this subject I see that most users just install it out of frustration and tolerate the maintenance cycles. I chose the NF 4 Client Profile but that has made no difference to the incessant upgrades to previous releases. Where's the logic?
     
  2. ltsnow

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    NET Framework drives me crazy. I have been doing without it for a while, but now there are a few programs I would like to run that require it. My XP Pro installation takes up 2.15GBs of space and when I add all the NET Frameworks it takes up 3.5 GBs. That's 1.4GBs of data just to run a few little programs that are each less than 10MBs. Ridiculous.
     
  3. CloneRanger

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    Exactly, all VERY good points, which is one reason i don't want it :thumbd:
     
  4. moontan

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    i've banned .NET and all programs that need it from my computer a year or ago.

    the Windows Updates for the various .NET flavors is very long and painful.
     
  5. allizomeniz

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    XP was the last Windows OS that you could run without .NF at all and that's exactly what I do. Vista requires at least 2.0. Luckily, I haven't found .NF updates for Vista to be that bad, but I haven't checked this month yet so we shall see. I hate it and whoever came up with the idea should be shot (metaphorically of course). :)
     
  6. NormanF

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    Its quite flexible in what it supports. You need .NET to run certain applets, EMET and the Better Explorer Shell replacement.

    The past Super Tuesday update saw Microsoft pushing forward a bunch of .NET security updates. I've had no problems with it so far on my computer. :thumb:
     
  7. allizomeniz

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    I only had two relatively small ones for Vista. When I had all the versions installed, the updates could get quite large in size at times.
     
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    I hate to tell you this but the future is cross-platform, applications have to be able run on multiple operating systems and multiple devices. This means Java and .NET are going to be around for a long time. May as well learn to live with it. As for disabling IE, well I removed as a program/feature but evidently I still have to install updates for it so I suppose there's nothing to be done there (I've always used SRP to block it before) but I too wish I could remove IE.

    That's not that big of a deal is it? My Windows installation with all optional programs installed on a second partition is consuming a measly 30GB of space less than 33% of what's partitioned for it. What exactly is it that bothers you with these sizes? They seem trivial.
     
  9. NormanF

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    Agreed - its trivial and with broadband being pretty much ubiquitous these days and with the huge hard drive space available on modern PCs, .NET and Java don't take up that much room and they're indispensable for an all-round computing experience and more and more applications will be written by developers in these programming languages in the future. Might as well as go along with the trend.
     
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    It's not trivial if you have a 'pay before U go' mobile broadband connection like I have – I live in a regional area and my download speeds average a miserable 300+kbs (yes – that's K-bs!)
    This latest monthly Windows update was around 170MBs – mostly .Net and I.E – so for me it was a fairly big deal.
     
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    What operating systems besides Microsoft products use net framework?

    At most, I've seen 3 or 4 apps in the last 10 years that looked interesting and required net framework. In each case, I've found alternatives that didn't. I've removed it from every PC I use and haven't missed it. They're faster without it and the XP partitions take up less space. It's much like java in that it's constantly needing vulnerabilities patched. IMO, it's unnecessary and too often vulnerable. It's a large addition to the attack surface that I don't need or want.

    Justifying net framework with hard drive sizes and internet speeds is pointless. That's like saying "I have lots of space so lets waste it." Fully updated, net framework takes up more space than some operating systems and gives the user very little in return. I've got better uses for hard drive space than tying it up with something that does very little I can use.
     
  12. NormanF

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    Mono is the open source implementation of .NET for Unix based systems. Applications have been written using Mono for Linux.
     
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    KeePass requires Framework and it also runs under Linux using Mono.
     
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    only Keepass2.
    the first one doesn't need that .NET or Mono stuff.

    btw, Mono is one of the first thing i also remove in a Linux machine.
    along with Banshee, Tomboy, etc... ;)
     
  15. NormanF

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    Why? Mono written applications are cool. Its the kind of stuff that's for keeps. :thumb:
     
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    the only programs i ever saw that needed Mono were Banshee, Keepass2 and Tomboy.
    since i don't use any of them i remove Mono on any Linux distro after install.
     
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    NET wastes my time. It's like installing Service Packs 6x a year. And each update takes 30 minutes or more to install. Way way stupid & lazy of MS.
     
  19. NormanF

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    .NET is Microsoft's answer to Java. You need a scriptable programming language? You get it in .NET and so far developers like it if the latest version released for Windows 8 is any indication.
     
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