my bro is putting spyware on the computer

Did you show your dad? If not next time it might be a good idea, along with some info on what the found threat does.

 

To protect your computer I recommend a product like RestoreIT. This can be password protected to avoid tampering.

To stop your brother from surfing nudie sites just do an image search for Whoopie Goldberg or Rosie O'Donnell nude.

 

i told him it was a hijacker and he was thankful i got rid of it. also we all use firefox except my mom who only uses AOL.

 

AOL? You mean Netscape?

 

No Aol has its own browser based on I.E that AOL force you to use (as it they will not help you on their help line unless you use their browser all the time).

I am perplexed as to why no one has suggested this to you earlier but tell your brother to use a liveCD.

Knoppix. Damn small linux and Ubuntu live are the ones i would recommend.

He can go to the dodgyest sites on earth and not one thing will ever get on your machine as you are running your machine from the CD drive and you are running linux which means you are immune to all the Windows malware.

Failing this and he still wont listen, if it is your computer or you have the owners permission, install a version of linux under a dual boot and have the linux Operating system as your primary boot so it will automatically boot into linux unless you force a windows boot. This will also protect your machine for the reason i gave above as linux is infinately safer than windows.

Hope this helps.

 

I would suggest you to do this....

When your bro not arround, try to install some application protection software (black ice would be nice), and set the application protect option to ALWAYS TERMINATE PROCESS for both options "for unknown application application" and "for modified application".

You must let the software to make a record of all the application in your pc's before then, also be sure that your pc's is clean before installing this kind a software.

That will prevent the EXECUTON and ACCESS of some unknown apps, trojan, and adware too. Still the best way is to sit and have a chat with your bro concerning this matter..... - -

 

How old is your brother? A little porn never hurt a consenting adult.

 

true maybe However, the crux of the issue is not the porn itself, it's *what* is coming along for the ride.

If he is of the legal age then fine, but if he wants to continue to peruse those sites, he **must** also be accountable for his actions, and the accountability in this case should be the awareness of what is happening behind the scenes regarding spyware/malware.

Encouraging him in this regard to take an active role in prevention, rather than cheater's "curing role" would be more beneficial than in encouraging him to continue along this path of 'who cares as long as I get to have a look' attitude.

Cheater, don't muck around, if this continues, even just one more time, TELL your parents, forget about having any 'loyalty' to him, especially if it's the family PC.

Also do what someone else here suggested, save and *buy your own PC*, then totally ignore the other and watch what happens when it bogs down, and your parents are screaming blue murder.

~ Cheers, TAS

 

That's the real issue!

 

hello,

If he's not in legal age. just try this free application. I think It well help you:
- Parental Filter: http://www.snapfiles.com/get/pfilter.html
Or get some excellent spyware Protection! freeware o paid version..

Happy Holiday !


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Nice to learn while still young!!

 

Or Parental Guided Porn (PGP)

 

he left his account on and disabled his password for some reason so i got rid of coolwebsearch and a dialer

 

I'm not surprised he disabled his password. Passwords are annoying and only appreciated by the user, when MONEY is involved.

 

sadly he still has a password on the laptop grrr i need to get into that next i'll slip a laxativ into his drink that should keep him busy.

 

hakuna will that work with firefox?

 

Give it a try. It's freeware. You have nothing to lose.

 

maybe you should reinstall the computer and set it up again. i have a friend with a similar setup to mine and although he doesn't go to pr0n much he never has any problems :| and i go all over the internet, not necessarily pr0n sites but just whatever link comes along. i'm sure with the right setup you won't have any problems with malware at all.

if you install Ubuntu, which is free, all you'd need to do is setup firestarter which is 100 times easier then zone alarm to run. although setting it up (Ubuntu) can be abit difficult because the reason it's totally free, unlike afew other distros, is because it doesn't have any paid software on it e.g. proprietary codecs and media formats, and they can be abit difficult to install. however, once you understand how to install stuff you will be half-way there to understanding Linux

 

What exactly is everyone thinking here?

We have yet to hear in this thread whether the computer(s) in question are the actual property of cheater87 - or his parents!

Aside from that, what gives an 18-year-old the right to screw around with other people's accounts?

Or the right to become judge and jury over whatever his brother decides to do on the computer?

That's what parents are for!

It is utterly beyond belief that anyone would advise this dependant child to either re-format or install another operating system on a computer or computers that they don't own. Especially when not knowing what kinds of files, photos or financial's are on the owner's computer(s) that would be lost!

What in the world are you people smoking? Pete

 

thanks, Pete. Wow, what was i thinking/smoking? not that it's any of your business. this computer must be really important to the survival of this family especially as the father has been told what is going on and doesn't seem to care that much otherwise the children wouldn't be using it.

if someone asks for advise that's what they'll get. if you don't like it i really don't care one bit.

 

huh, make up your mind, it's hard to follow a rant when it makes no sense. so which is it Pete - do we know who owns the computer or not?

it's best to reformat, as we all know once a computer has been infected there's no knowing if it will ever be clean again. i like Ubuntu instead of windows. if you need any help reformating i'll help, but for pete's sake ask your parents first

 

I've seen nothing in this thread in the way of a log that proves that the computer(s) were "infected" with anything - all you're going on is cheater87's word.

Some of the other things we have heard cheater87 say in this thread:

This is the crux of the conflict - control. He doesn't want his brother going to porn sites (although he's not provided a shred of proof that he was and by God he's going to do whatever it takes to get control (including breaking into other people's accounts, as we see).

When did that get to be his decision to make? No mention of parental notification or approval of undertaking any changes.

Enjoying it, isn't he? A little "juvenile", perhaps?

Bravo! Got rid of "a LOT of cookies" (without mentioning - or even knowing probably - what the cookies were or were for ) and of course getting rid of that nasty old coolwebsearch (without providing a log to show it actually existed or a screenshot). PUH-LEASE.

Now there's an adult thought/tactic to get your way! <g>

From this thread in TenForward entitled "haha i just stealth cleaned my bro's account" ( https://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=111811 ) - note the "mature" title:

What nasty, opportunistic, skulking behavior. And you're encouraging this?

As far as the "Dad" stuff goes:

As already mentioned, no proof - either that it was actually there to begin with, that it wasn't simply a false positive - just another instance of getting into someone's account while they weren't around and screwing with it.

Really?

See above comments. All you've got here is a pattern of a juvenile need for control. It shouldn't be encouraged, because it's already reached ugly proportions given the consistent behavior of going into other people's accounts at will and under shady circumstances.

I re-iterate: It is beyond belief that anyone would encourage this behavior - it's totally irresponsible.

iceni60 - BTW - You never made a peep about the adverse affects of either re-formatting or switching/adding operating systems given the fact that it's unknown what files, folders, pictures, documents or banking info could be lost if that process gets screwed up (and that even regardless of who's computer(s) we're dealing with). Cat got your tongue there?

I quite disagree with that, actually. AFAIC, reformatting is a last resort. Regular spyware can be totally removed via HijackThis work, or in some cases simply by running programs like SBS&D, AA, etc. Spyware that has been gutted by one of those types of programs (hence, not operating as it's supposed to) isn't a threat since it doesn't work anymore. At most, what's left is a clean-up-of-traces-of-it issue if you're really anal about that kind of thing. Being root-kitted would be one of the very few circumstances I'd agree with as needing a re-formatting afterward.

Let's just ask it flat out then, shall we?

cheater87 - Who OWNS the computer(s) that you're discussing? There seem to be two of them (a home computer and a laptop? Or is that incorrect?
Specifically, who BOUGHT and PAID for them? Is the answer to that too much to ask?

I'd like to thank and give credit to beef, The Hammer, TonyW and bigbuck for advocating the right approach (notification of the parent(s) and letting them deal with the problem - if there truly is one besides a teenager's fit of pique). Pete

 

Pete, out of interest, how high is your horse? - "I'd like to thank and give credit to", commenting through Cheater's actions.

if his brother's actions affect Cheater's computer use he has every right to correct the problem - in effect they are doing the same thing but, Cheater's actions are for the good, his brother's are selfish.

 

That's your best shot? My, my, my. That's your total response to all the points I raised in my previous post?

How sad.

No, he does not unless the computer(s) in question belong to cheater87 or unless the parents - having been told everything about this situation from the beginning (and being the actual owners of the computer(s) in question) have explicitly stated that those computers are cheater87's responsibility to keep up and have fully agreed to having their accounts monitored and "cleaned"
by cheater87, knowing that a computer that gets "cleaned" mistakenly when a false-positive is found and acted upon can totally screw up the computer.

And what's your basis for the last part of that statement: "Cheater's actions are for the good, his brother's are selfish." You don't have a clue as to the brothers' "motivations" - other than cheater87's un-substaniated accusations! Incredible.

It's completely beyond me why you don't see any of this. How old are you? Are you married? Do you have any children? I'm curious. Pete

 

Gentlemen

Please try to stay on track, otherwise any personal attacks will be removed as per TOS

Cheers, TAS

 

That's cool - I'll hold any further posting until the "ownership"/"permission" issue is clearly responded to by cheater87. Pete