Multi-booting

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by Brian K, May 30, 2023.

  1. Adric

    Adric Registered Member

    Sure, no problem. Good luck and enjoy your fishing..
     
  2. Adric

    Adric Registered Member

    Just testing Ventoy for the 1st time. Can't say much about it. Never used yumi or Universal USB installer.

    I would assume you would mainly hide a partition to keep it from being accessed by other systems that might be present on you PC
     
  3. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    Adric, I created a Ventoy UFD and copied bibm.iso to the first partition.

    I used a MBR system and Ventoy didn't boot. I deleted the EFI folder in the second partition (to prevent UEFI booting) and now Ventoy boots and shows bibm.iso in the menu. I chose Normal Mode and BIBM booted but it was BIBM installed on the HD and not from the ISO.

    BIBM on the HD was uninstalled. Ventoy now doesn't boot and I just see a loading error.

    BIBM was reinstalled. Then the BIBM partition was deleted. Ventoy booted to a menu and bibm.iso was selected.
    Selecting Normal Mode gave a EMBR error
    Selecting grub2 just goes back to the menu
    Selecting memdisk mode shows the BIBM setup window. Click Cancel and you are in BIBM Maintenance mode. Success.

    I don't use Ventoy or other multi-boot UFDs. I have plenty of blank UFDs. Much easier for me.
     
  4. Adric

    Adric Registered Member

    How did you access the efi system partition to delete the folder you mentioned? DiskManagement won't let me assign a drive letter for it.

    Edit: Managed to access the partition using mountvol to get GUID of EFI partition and then used start on that listed entry to launch explorer and deleted the ventoy folder, but the flash still won't boot and says no OS found
     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2023
  5. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    My MBR computer automatically assigned a drive letter to that partition. I can't assign a drive letter in my UEFI computer.

    If you boot into BIBM or BIU you can mount that partition with TeraByte Explorer and delete the EFI folder.
     
  6. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    I assume you tried "memdisk mode". I've no idea why it works or doesn't work. Maybe different BIOS.
     
  7. Adric

    Adric Registered Member

    I deleted the wrong folder. :ouch:

    On your uefi computer did you try the mountvol and start trick? Look for entry with no mount point
    Code:
    
       \\?\Volume{153483bc-0000-0000-0000-f03c00000000}\
           *** NO MOUNT POINTS ***
    
    
    c:\>start \\?\Volume{153483bc-0000-0000-0000-f03c00000000}\
    
     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2023
  8. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    No.
     
  9. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    I just tried mountvol in my UEFI computer. I see three *** NO MOUNT POINTS ***
    Maybe my hidden partitions are included.
     
  10. Adric

    Adric Registered Member

    Start will launch explorer so trial and error should find the right one. Anyway, which partition did you boot from in the BIBM menu?

    I only see partition 1 which doesn't boot.
    2DiskManagement.jpg
     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2023
  11. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    I was using my installed BIBM in the MBR computer. Partition Work showed 5 drives. Three were my internal drives. One was the UFD and one was a 1.57 TiB drive. The latter doesn't exist in my computer and doesn't appear unless the Ventoy UFD is plugged in. The UFD is 4 GB.

    I select the UFD drive...
    Ventoy partition is 3786 MiB ExFAT
    VTOYEFI partition is 32 MiB EFI System. This is the partition that used to contain the EFI folder.

    You can't boot partitions on a UFD from BIBM.
     
  12. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    When I check the 1.57 TiB partition it shows 1646687 MiB of Free Space.
     
  13. Adric

    Adric Registered Member

    Yes, I meant part1 was the only entry that shows in BIBM and it won't boot. I used Ventoy2Disk.exe to create the UFD. My computer has CSM support to allow legacy only so it should work the same as it does on your MBR system. For me, booting Ventoy only works with the BIOS boot Menu via F12.
     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2023
  14. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    So your UFD only contains one partition?

    It's the same here.
     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2023
  15. Adric

    Adric Registered Member

    No, my UFD is as shown in the DiskManagement image I posted above.
    Does your uefi system have a BIOS that supports legacy and are you using BIBM there?
     
  16. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    My UEFI system has CSM disabled. I use BIU in that computer. BootIt UEFI.
     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2023
  17. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    Are we expecting different outcomes from Ventoy? All I expect is for BIBM to boot from the F12 menu.
     
  18. mantra

    mantra Registered Member

    @Brian K
    Hi
    1) if i want to restore (with image for windows or linux ) an w7 or w10 image (both mbr )to a disk with w11 (mbr) , have I to resize Win11 (MBR1) partition and after how could I restore the w10 or 7 image?

    2)and if I want to the same thing , i mean restore an mbr w11 image image to a disk with w10 or w7 (both mbr) what partition should resize and how could I restore it ?

    in short to let me live together and use windows boot loader
    thanks
     
  19. Adric

    Adric Registered Member

    Not sure what you mean. I only want to be able to boot Ventoy UFD from the installed BIBM Direct boot menu. on my HD. Then from From there, whatever ISOs that are listed.. My test Ventoy UFD is empty right now. just trying to get it to boot from the Direct Boot Menu and not have to remember to interrupt the BIOS with F12
    5VentoyMenu.jpg
    Btw, how do you manually add boot items to the direct boot menu?[7s]
     
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2023
  20. Adric

    Adric Registered Member

    I finally managed to boot Ventoy UFD from BIBM by capturing the Ventoy MBR and creating a boot entry for it in the normal boot menu. The direct boot menu doesn't offer that option and Ventoy won't boot from there.
     
  21. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    Adric, very clever. Can you post a photo of the BIBM Boot Item that boots Ventoy?

    I played with BootIt UEFI yesterday and I created a Boot Item for Ventoy. But this was in a UEFI system.
     
  22. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    mantra, I know how to do this if BootIt is installed but not with the Microsoft Boot menu. Someone else could offer advice.
     
  23. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    Adric, this is from a UEFI system.

    Ventoy boots from BIU Direct Boot menu...

    PXL_20230729_212406470.jpg PXL_20230729_212149278.jpg

    Ventoy also boots from the Normal Boot menu...

    PXL_20230729_212324283.jpg
     
  24. Adric

    Adric Registered Member

    After a few attempts
    Copy.jpg
    AddEntry.jpg
    NormalBoot.jpg
     
  25. Brian K

    Brian K Imaging Specialist

    Excellent.

    In your script line
    copy sectors 2 0 1
    What is the symbol preceding
    ventoy.mbr
     
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