MRG Rogue Software Test

Discussion in 'other anti-malware software' started by LoneWolf, Aug 16, 2009.

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  1. MikeNash

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    Paul asserts they are passing samples to Comodo. Maybe a misunderstanding, maybe a conspiracy - no way for you or I to tell.

    All I can say is that in my experience, it has been positive.

    My dealings with them have been fine and professional - I asked for (and received) samples after the tests were completed. They did not ask for or mention anything financial. Even if what Paul says is accurate and they are in fact passing samples to comodo, then we still kicked ass. This is going on my website.

    Of course, since OA tested well I'm an evil vendor and the devil, so I think at this point I'm going to bow out of this thread before it degenerates any further.
     
  2. Dr who

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    The quality of tests offered is another matter entirely but become irrelevent when you consider the *testers* themselves.

    It has now been shown that they stand to gain financially from sales of the promoted softwares via their site :shifty:

    Lets follow the $'s trail now , you and Christian have a vested financial interest in the success of their site...every sale of one of your softwares is money in your bank accounts.

    Is there any surprise you come and defend them ?

    Afterall its your potential $'s that are evaporating from that source.

    The cap well and truely fits you both now!
     
  3. thathagat

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    and
    pardon me but you seem very eager about caps and fitting them on a select few:cautious:
     
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  4. MikeNash

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    Look, I don't mean to be rude - but a quick review of your posting history shows that you're around here to just attack a-squared. Whatever does it for you dude... you're saying I come here to defend MRG?

    My first post: Confirming that we did not pay (as the prevx guy did).

    My second post: reply to sly innuendo from subset

    My third post: Smartass comment to Christian.

    My fourth post: Comments about multiple accounts, and suggesting that MRG should apologise.

    My fifth post: Pointing out you're an idiot.

    My 6th post: Agreeing that PaulW is a standup guy and tells the truth!

    My 7th Post: Reply to Scoobs and withdraw.

    My 8th post - A repeat of post 5 for those who missed it.


    If that's defending MRG I'm a monkey's uncle.

    We're done. You're a troll and I'm off to bed.
     
  5. emsisoft

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    I should have mentioned, that MRG didn't generate a single sale for a-squared Anti-Malware so far via that download page.
     
  6. subset

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    Even if so... like before it's the other way round, a vendor should take a look at a site before he starts to promote it.
    What do you see, when you first visit a test site at MRG and then go to the download site?
    Some may think - oh, they sell products with fake tests.
    Or is there also a auto-approve for test sites?

    I'm sure you're mistaking me for someone else.

    Cheers
     
  7. MikeNash

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    I've read this three times and I don't understand what you're trying to say.

    We are not promoting anything (aside from OA), and we don't know who is promoting us unless we go and look.

    I posted a screenshot from RegNow. I think it's pretty clear: Affiliates are set to auto-approve. It does what it says on the tin. It auto approves them.
     
  8. Saraceno

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    Mike, I have no say about anything, just a casual user of security programs and was going to stay out of this thread, but anyway.

    I only know Retadpuss through this board after a topic about MBAM a few months ago. I like the program and will continue to use the program, he doesn't like it, and so he sent a PM clarifying his stance on why he doesn't.

    That's all good, as that's what the internet is for, a mixture of opinions, where people like and dislike.

    Later he sent me some samples to test with what I was using, and discussed the pros and cons of programs we've used. Does he still dislike MBAM? I don't know? Do I? No, as I use it. :)

    Anyway, where I'm going with this, I agree with Mike, they should apologise (for not being as upfront as users felt they should have been, or whatever) and move on. Everyone makes mistakes, as long as you learn from those mistakes is what matters.

    At the end of the day, what I learned, whether you like someone or not, like a group of people or not, whether you like a program or not, we're all here for the same reason, we're security enthusiasts. Here to help each other, and to help others.

    Whether you think a test or website sucks or not, if it helps one user, or provides reading material/information/entertainment for another, than it's achieved its purpose.

    What a boring world we'd live in if we all thought the same. This arguing won't change anything nor will it get me a free day off work tomorrow cause I haven't slept in many hours! So just take a deep breath and relax. :)
     
  9. littlebits

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    I have send Paul a PM about this false info, yes I am Littlebits from SSUpdater and I have never posted on this forum under a different name and I hope Paul can verify that my checking the Admin CP logs.

    I am NOT a member of MRG and I don't have any ties with them period.
    If any of the SSUpdater members are involve with MRG, then I'm totally NOT aware of it.

    I don't post much on this forum, but I do read threads occasionally and been a member of this site for awhile now.

    One thing that I know for sure, is each time any malware test gets posted to this forum, then all of the problems start to happen.

    If a testing group gives one program a high score, then everyone who likes that program praises that test group, if they don't like that program with the high score than they try to discredit that test group.

    But is has gone too far now trying to involve myself with a malware testing group, when I don't even do the malware tests for SSUpdater, all I do is the Registry Software tests, that's it.

    Thanks.:D
     
  10. trjam

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    but does not Emisoft and Tallemu have a invested interest in each other? Tell the truth.
     
  11. Page42

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    Point of clarification, maybe needed or maybe not... when I first read what Mike wrote, it looked as though he was saying that "the prevx guy did" pay, which I believe he really meant that Prevx did not pay. And that would be correct, according to PrevxHelp's post here. Just wanted to make that clear. :)
     
  12. LowWaterMark

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    Thread temporarily closed and a couple posts removed.

    I'm going to post a clarification regarding the usage of multiple user accounts, specific to what has been mentioned above, and in response to littlebits' post, who as far as I know, is not involved in any of it here at Wilders Security.

    Stand-by. It'll take a bit to write it up.
     
  13. LowWaterMark

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    Okay, I think we need to clear up a couple of things regarding the multiple username / cross posting issue, since there is a lot of speculation happening regarding it.

    Paul posted above that the new Wilders Security member Sveta MRG is also the existing member Astech. Those two accounts are the same individual poster here on Wilders Security Forums. The concern we have with this is not so much that Astech joined again, but, that under the name Astech, he posted many times here in the past as if he was not connected with MRG, sometimes referring to "them" as a third-party, when in fact he is part of them. That is misleading. However, having said that, going forward he may continue to post here if he wishes, but, he shoud pick a single member account, own up to who he is, and post accordingly.

    Unfortunately, there is a bigger concern regarding the second person with multiple accounts that Paul mentioned on the first page of this thread. While Chris_MRG is the existing member Retadpuss, he has also had a few other accounts here, having been placed on post moderation on one and outright banned on another.

    Chris_MRG (aka. Retadpuss) was also the previous member Max Zorin (set to post moderation and then disabled), but, before that he was ChrisP, who was banned after lengthy trolling culminating in a public post to an Admin who moderated him, to "go f- his mother". That's a no go here.

    As a returning banned member, "Chris" is not welcome here under any member name, not even his new MRG name. All of his accounts are now suspended.

    As for SSupdater, the only thing at all I can say, because he himself posted about it there, is that this "Chris" person is also "Max Zorin" at SSupdater. He has a "Wilders is dead" thread over at SSupdater where he references his getting "moderated" here, among other things.

    Other than that, none of us here have said or can say that there is any other connection between SSupdater and MRG beyond this "Chris" being a member of both, as noted above. littlebits, as far as I know is not involved in using multiple member names or ever making misleading posts here at Wilders Security. He remains welcome here, if he ever wants to participate.
     
  14. trjam

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    so it is ok for me to say that Emisoft and Tallemu are basically one entity in not so many words.
     
  15. LowWaterMark

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    All that they appear to have is a technology partnership, which is not an unusual thing in the industry.

    Companies may cross license technology to each other - using parts of each others technology to strengthen their own products. Many security companies (among others) have done that without in any way "merging" or become one.

    The Press Release about their "technology partnership" is public record, and quite interesting actually:

    http://www.free-press-release.com/news/200903/1236681433.html
     
  16. trjam

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    Agreed and thank you. And that doesnt mean a bad thing either, but is one of those pieces of info left out in discussions like this. Thank you for your clarification LWM.
     
  17. kasperking

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    does anyone know of any other test where a2,OA++ and prevx have been tested together with other av/as...thanks
     
  18. MikeNash

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    Well, this is a little off topic, but just to clarify for those interested - Emsisoft and Tall Emu are separate companies.

    This does not mean that in future a merge between us could be ruled out - but no such plan is under discussion.

    If anyone has any further questions about our relationship with Emsisoft I'm happy to answer them, though I think everything is pretty much already covered either here in this thread or in existing press releases.

    Cheers,

    Mike
     
  19. JamesFrance

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    Now that all seems to be cleared up, I would like to return to the suggestion that Comodo has been given an unfair advantage in these tests. I think that that has occurred owing to a mistaken assumption that the Comodo malware research group member Languy has been a part of the Malware Research Group the subject of this thread.

    This could well have occurred because someone read the topic here:
    http://forums.comodo.com/empty-t41098.0.html;msg298130#msg298130

    The Comodo malware research group does indeed supply valuable samples to Comodo which is what it exists to do.

    If you visit the MRG forum you will see that Languy became a member only recently.
     
  20. ssj100

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    I think I'm asking this for the third time in this thread, but how was Comodo's classical HIPS component used? Did any of those rogues genuinely bypass the initial execution monitoring?
     
  21. thathagat

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    that i guess shall never be known for it seems buried in the debris of arguments and dialectic....the thread now is more about rogue testers rather than testing rogues
     
  22. overangry

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    SSupdater seems to be down, it reported me as attacking it's siteo_O
     
  23. Calderon

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    Let's be a Little...Honest Littlebits,

    1) Do you deny that Sveta of MRG
    and
    GrandCommander of SSUpdater
    is the same person
    (a Serbian VX collector Without any -Studies- in Computers
    and No -Professional Experience- in the Security Software Industry)?

    2) Do you, Littlebits, (or Mike L. J.) (I know who you really are...)
    also deny that eXPerience (your "close" buddy from COMODO...),
    who is also a member of SSUpdater,
    has No relationship with MRG?

    eXPerience is a MRG member:
    http://malwareresearchgroup.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=49&start=10

    3) Are you sure, Littlebits (or Mike L.J.)
    that you have No relationship with Mike (Site Admin) of MRG?
    http://malwareresearchgroup.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=49&start=10

    Let's cut the crap!

    *MalwareResearchGroup is just a Cover for SSUpdater.com*
    We know that SSUpdater has Links for Keygens, Patches, Cracks etc.

    With MalwareResearchGroup,
    you tried to hide your SSUpdater connection.
    Now that you are all exposed,
    you have the Nerve to come here and spread more Lies!

    MalwareResearchGroup is as UnTrustorthy as SSUpdater,
    since Both are run by the Same people!

    Enough!
     
  24. Saraceno

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    Calderon, this is becoming too 'CSI: Crime Scene Investigation' for me. Soon there will be DNA matching and arguments about test tubes.

    Someone might ask why you've joined Wilders. Ask for assistance, post your experiences with a program?

    Unless I was a moderator, I don't care who 'who' is. You, the guy posting above you, and the guy posting above that. Makes no difference to my life. As someone else said, should be focussing on the pros or cons of the test. If the test is no good, then you say your reasons why etc.
     
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  25. Sveta MRG

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    Hello everybody,

    I have seen all the posts and I totally understand some of your concerns, but I would ask you to bear with me here as I don't intend to start arguing with all of you, I just want clear up some things.

    Right from the start, it is clear to everybody that my Malware Research Group and COMODO's have nothing to do with each other.
    I am the founder of MRG and the alpha and omega of it, no sample leaves without my knowledge and very few people have access to the database.

    I was patient enough to read every single post here, so I hope that you grant me same courtesy and hear what I have to say.

    I understand why Paul Wilders did what he did as I know who started spreading this conspiracy, that person is here today and has multiple accounts.

    Speaking of multiple accounts, I have only one and this is only my second post here, astech is a personal problem of mine (he is not a part of MRG, but is one of my employees) and for his actions I apologize to everyone as he was stating his own opinions.

    If it wasn't for Calderon and a few other members posting in this thread, this puzzle wouldn't be solved.

    Malware Research Group has no connections to ssupdater, if we have a few members of our forums who are also members of other forums such as this one or any other one, how is that our problem?

    Calderon with his post number one stated that I am not who I say am and that I have no experience in computers..... how is it possible that I own an IT company then?
    Basically the only truth he said is that I am from Serbia and I am proud of it:p (he knows that because I told him;) )
    As for his CSI skills..........very bad work my friend.

    As testing is what MRG does, I will from now on concentrate on that.

    This Rogue test was an unofficial test in which we used 60 rogue applications, all 60 were rogues, some were dangerous and other were gray area software, but they all came from the list of rogue software which was not created by us.

    Why some applications that use HIPS failed to detect/block some rogues, because they allowed them to install, HIPS doesn't mean that you are 100% safe.

    Why we didn't include Kaspersky Internet Security but instead tested the Antivirus version? Because in test like this ISS made by Kaspersky would give the same result.

    Why did some applications fail to detect many rogues, well I guess because they do not concentrate on them at this point, that will change soon tough.

    I would like to say that we are relevantly young testing organization, but all of us have many years of experience in this area and the tests that we conduct are valid, and our methodologies are valid, will you believe our tests is totally up to you.

    We do not charge for our test, we do not accept entrance fees (as some offered to us), we are totally independent in every sense of that word.
    Our download section is just a way to fund the site and the testing, wouldn't be easy to offer a service which requires constant hardware upgrades and have to fund it for your own pocket.

    I am very open to further discussions if we can maintain peace in this thread, I really can't allow my self to argue with everybody.

    Regards,
    Sveta
     
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