More hate for GNOME ???

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  1. vasa1

    vasa1 Registered Member

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    SJVN's article points to the source.

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    Actually, there's not much there ... just the usual whining. Makes sense when one is forced to use something, but when choices exist o_O

    And, from the second link ;)
    I don't see why he didn't do it in Chrome o_O Why use whatever else?
     
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    Looks like legitimate criticism.
     
  3. scott1256ca

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    In my opinion much of the ubuntu and derivatives linux community has dropped the ball. I had been running mint 10. something but it lost its long term support and I decided to upgrade. I'd been using awn and had removed the gnome panels at the top and bottom and put mint menu in awn.

    So I tried the new mint. No way to get mint menu in awn. Cairo menu looks lousy and was missing entries I needed. SO I decided to give ubuntu 12.04 a try. I really don't mind unity. That was part of the reason I tried awn, was to get used to it. But, my God, there are a lot of problems with 12.04. I clicked the wrong thing on compiz and my desktop is hosed. I had to boot a livecd and remove .gnome (whatever, sorry, I'm writing this on windows and don't have access to it) in order to get the desktop working again, then reimplement my changes. Just today, I'm transferring files and lose the status window that tells you how long to wait, speed etc. I find out this is a bug that is MORE than a year old and still hasn't been fixed.
    It seems anything I want to modify, I have to search online to find help, and when I do, the help is for older versions where the fix no longer applies. There is no way to get rid of the top panel with the menu in it, even though there is practically nothing of value there. The excuse is they need the notifications. Really? And why can't you move that to the Unity launcher? And why does it mean you can't autohide the panel? Just unautohide it if some notification simply has to be heard. Or if it is that important, pop up a window. Stupid decision. There was a way to hide it in 11, but that no longer works. That top panel for me just takes up real estate. Global menu, autoscrollbars, and on and on ...

    Real bugware. Pushed out the door before it was ready. Change for the sake of change without improving functionality or ease of use. I use linux much less than I had, and use Windows more.
    Anyway, that is the end of my rant. :)

    BTW, I can also get used to that HUD. Didn't like it much at first, but even for a mouse oriented guy, you get used to it and it does have some advantages.
     
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    So you think he should just say don't use Gnome 3, use something else rather that giving criticism that may help improve Gnome 3 ?

    Cheers, Nick.
     
  5. vasa1

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    There are different ways of criticizing. That's what I think.
     
  6. Mrkvonic

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    I like his rants. True passion.
    Mrk
     
  7. SpikeyB

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    I just don't get all the moaning about Gnome 3. I use fallback mode and Compiz and it's no different to Gnome 2.
     
  8. Kerodo

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    I don't see why people hate it either. I actually like Gnome 3, but then again, I like Unity too. I also like Mint 13 with Cinnamon. I think they're all good...
     
  9. vasa1

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    Linus explains why he's outspoken in --http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA&feature=relmfu-- at approx. 35:10 and again right at the end of the vid.
     
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    The thing I don't understand about Linus is the things he moans about.

    Obviously he's not annoyed just for his own personal use but because of how bad Gnome 3 is for general users, but the views on Gnome 3 have been clear from the community for years. If the Gnome devs don't want to listen to the community it should be clear just to not use that DE.

    There's always talk about Linus and DE's, and that he just wants things to work, I remember reading he found XFCE pretty decent, so why don't he just stick with that? He's the creator of Linux and a massively talented coder, yet makes himself sound to be a total noob when it comes to really basic desktop use.

    I'm pretty sure DE's like Gnome 3 and Unity are purely for the eye candy, just trying to wow users with the smooth effects and show that Linux isn't some ugly OS, but there's plenty of options if you just want to get work done ie KDE (I personally don't like QT, but a lot saner UI) or OpenBox with a simple custom right click menu and an autostart file, that can be set up in a few minutes. If you wanted to start Chromium with webgl enabled you'd just add the command chromium --enable-webgl to the right click menu and you could use that / edit it whenever you want.

    Because it's the main 3 DE's that set the trend (Gnome KDE and XFCE), I can't see XFCE or KDE changing drastically so hopefully maybe one day Gnome will change if it wants to keep it's users, but I don't personally see much point using it either way when there are lighter and better options there already.
     
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