More cable users are consuming 1TB of data per month, face fines for exceeding caps

Invalid of what? Your ISPs scam you, and you agree with them lol.

Also, what are you calling "abuses"? unless you talk about a 1000+gb a day, i don't see anything else as abuse.

Here we have unlimited plans, most providers offers 4k IPTV which is heavy.
There is no abuse because there is no limits. Simple as that.

 

+1

 

1 Gbps symmetric link, no datacap ********, $61 per month (with todays rate), hell ... life is good....

 

It always amazes me when people who don't live in this country think they know how everything works in this country.

The following is taken directly from this month's bill:



This is what I am getting:

https://www.speedtest.net/result/8011194093.png

Now tell me I am getting scammed.

 

My Cable ISP here in Canada!

 

Hmmm, I find the "Connect 4 to 7 devices" statement interesting. If behind a router, I wonder if and how they would know?

The important part is, do you get at least what you are paying for? I pay for "up to" 50Mbps downloads and I'm getting 117.44Mbps. So no complaints here.

 

They mean it's good for 4 to 7 devices in there opinion! You could have more or less. I have the Gigabit plan with 6 devices and it works good for me.

 

Ah! If that is the case, then I understand, but it still seems arbitrary because it depends on what each device is doing. If just surfing the Internet, updating email or Facebook, or using Office 360 you could have many more devices and not suffer any noticeable lagging or delays - even if there's a Roku device in the living room streaming 4K video. But yeah, 6 or 7 streaming HD video at once could be a problem. Fortunately for me, all the kids are grown up and have moved out.

 

Who told you I didn't live in US at some time?
It always amazes me when people who don't know others assume those are ignorant.

(Btw, I lived in North Carolina for a year, i have some family there, so enough for me to know.)

70$ for limited plan, when i pay 1/4th of this for unlimited, yes for me you are, less than others but still, sadly.
Now if you are happy with it, good for you; as you said if you get what you paid and expect for, all is cool.
Personally i wont like my connection crawling when i ever reach that limit, especially if i have important stuff to do.

 

Probably the modem-router offered by the ISP tracks the number of connected devices.
In France you can't connect directly to the iSP network using 3rd party routers, you have to use a "Box" offered by the ISP to get all the services like IPTV, channel replays, etc...
for example i have an android box that allow me to watch YouTube directly on my TV.
Now with the fiber, all channels that were usually transmitted by Cable or hertz are delivered in 4k quality via internet. So you can guess, unlimited plans are mandatory for such usage.

 

And I lived in the UK for 4 years, Portugal for 1 1/2years, Germany for almost a year and I would not pretend to tell you that means I know everything there is to know about each country. And I note, all three of those countries could easily fit inside the borders of the US. Not to mention a little thing called "States Rights" which allows each State to set their own regulations and laws.

Exactly! Which means the ISP is not scamming us as you claimed.

IMO, if the customers have to rent those boxes, and over time the total rental payments exceed the cost of the boxes, that's a scam.

Customers should be able to buy and use their own modems. If they must rent, total payments should be capped at a "fair market value" if the customer were to purchase it.

 

i never said i know everything, i just know enough, there is a difference.
Why the size of a country has to do with it, Africa is bigger , doesn't mean it is better LOL
about state laws? thanks but no thanks, do one thing in a state where it is legal then the same thing become illegal in another and vice-versa...? sorry not for me.
it is why gun addicts do their crazy stuff in the law-enforclessed state or go in court in the state that favor their position.
Anyway i wont go further in politics/law matters, im not versed enough in those; i just spent enough time in US to get a decent picture of the country and citizens.

if you feel not, that all good. Personally, i would. Maybe i'm to used to our "privileged" situation.

It is included in the price of the subscription (which is around 30-40e monthly without huge discount for new subscribers), the cost of the box is 2-3e/months depending the ISP and mentioned only because you rent the box, you don't own it, it is expensive (200+euros if you fail to return it) and will become useless if you unsubscribe from your ISP.

Anyway, you cant connect directly with 3rd party modems, you won't get the services/advantages you subscribed for (which is the main reason you do so, just getting a internet connection is past, people want integrated Netflix, Youtube and other services, ISPs fight over it , and usually the one that get most of them, win the market).
However you can add your own router behind it if you like for added security.

So not a scam; it is more like in some hotel, where you use the hotel internet for free because included in your room price, and if you don't use the internet, you won't get a discount anyway.

I think enough was said, different countries, different cultures, different mindsets, different opinions of what is "fair" or not. This debate can go forever in any topics.

Have a nice day.

 

Ummm, last I checked, Africa is a continent, not a country. Big difference. There are over 50 independent countries in Africa. And they don't have anything along the lines of the EU or a common "federal" government putting them all under one unifying flag.

Of course it is included. But it still means over time the consumer could pay 2 or 3 times what it is worth. And in some cases, it also means the ISP might have their own back-door into it, or they may be using your electricity to provide wifi hotspots to their traveling customers.

 

who cares? i gave an example that size doesn't means quality... are you really arguing again over irrelevant stuff not even related to the topic?

And i still even pay less than you, you can debate for aeons, it won't change a thing, you are limited, i'm not.

or not, but i don't see the relevance of it in this thread, you are deflecting again.

opt-in/out option depend the ISP.

 

Gee whiz dude. Size makes a huge difference when costs are directed related the distances needed to be covered.

You can't see, or refuse to see the big picture. Therefore I see no reason to continue this discussion. Have a good day.

 

Off-topic, the discussion is about data limitations and penalties not infrastructure cost.

Have a nice day too.

 

It's pretty telling of the situation when countries like Romania () and Jersey (for god's sake! ) are ahead of USA in the average speeds.

Oh well, it could be worse...like UK

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...s-to-35th-in-global-table-of-broadband-speeds

 

Or Australia.

To be fair, I'm on a 25 / 5 plan and my download speed is almost 50 mb/s consistently, so not the worst, but could be better.

FWIW my ISP recently gave me unlimited data. Initially I started on my current plan with 200 GB/month, then they doubled that to 400 GB. Now unlimited. I suspect that is because of a good thing called competition.

I watch quite a lot of YouTube (and other) videos and only once ever got close to the original 200 GB limit.

 

50 mbit/s not mb/s, that's 50/8 = 25/4 = 6.25 mb/s

 

That's why I used lowercase mb/s in stead of uppercase MB/s. Maybe I should have used Mb/s. Would that have made you happier?

Anyway, you apparently knew what I meant.

 

mb/s = mbit/s

Lower case b = bit
Upper case B = Byte

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data-rate_units

 

I rarely use caps as it takes more time (it adds up)

 

Well, that may be fine in social settings where there is no chance for misunderstandings, but in technical/scientific discussions, it is not fine. It wastes time - as seen in this thread when it causes confusion (as it did with you in your last post) and even more wasted time others have to go back and clean up the mess.

Even in simple every day stuff, the proper use of upper and lower case matters. In a simple cooking recipe, for example, there's a big difference between 1t and 1T.