Hey all, I've been working at this problem for a week now and I'm at the point were I'm going to tear out all my hair. Anyway I might aswell start at the begining.... Last week my sister used my computer while I was at work. When I came home it looks the system had "crashed" which caused it to load to the select startup method window (normal, safemode etc) Anyway I tried restarting the system to no advail. The first time I tried starting up I was given a bunch of letters right before the windows logon screen which didnt come up. This gave me the impression that the mbr had become damaged. Next I tried using the windows recovery system on the cd but the recovery system and the install wizard could not detect the hard drive (this prevents me from doing a "fixmbr"). After trying this, strangely I was able to get to the windows logon logo. But, the system would just hang at the logo for awhile then restart all over again. Next I tried installing Windows on my secondary hard drive to see if a running install of XP Pro would detect the drive. After the install I tried going into the mmc to see if the disk management snappin could see the hard drive and of course it didnt. Next from the advice of a friend I located a live Knoppix CD to see if I could get access to the drive that windows couldnt see. Strangely enough the Knoppix CD could see the drive and all the information on it. From here I was able to copy all the data off the apparently faulty drive to a partition on my second hard drive. Next I tried formating the faulty drive by using fdisk. After doing this I still couldnt see the drive or even access it. So, I fiddled around with a ton of things then I deceided to try and install mandralinux on the faulty drive. Believe it or not the linux install didnt just detect the drive but it installed on it AND i was able to boot to the linux OS after the install. So after seeing this I tried booting into my second hard drive again to see if XP could see the other hard drive. Of coarse it didnt. Finally I decided to go to the manufactures site of the hard drive (Maxtor) to see if I could find anything there. I came across a program called PowerMax which you place on a floppy disk and boot to it. This program is supposed to be able to detect the Maxtor hard drive and check it for errors. So, I downloaded it and gave it a shot but off course it couldnt see the drive either. So as you can likely see I am completely stumped over my problem. If anyone has any ideas on what I can do next beside finding some dynamite and blowing the drive up I would appriciate some help. Here is a summary of my problems since I have written a great deal. -windows would not boot off the drive -the bios on my system does see the drive -a new install of XP Pro on a second drive doesnt see the other drive through mmc -Knoppix can see the drive -Mandralinux can also see the drive and can be installed and run off of it -fdisk sees the drive but shows an inaccurate size (about 12GB when it is 80GB) -Maxtor's PowerMax utility cant see the drive.