Macrium Reflect

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by Stigg, Nov 23, 2013.

  1. Arvy

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    Yes, that does look much more promising than some of their previous non-responsive responses. I wouldn't be surprised if we have a few "undeclared lurkers" here. They may actually be starting to get the underlying message involving broader managerial and process control issues and not mere superficial gripes about a particular feature of the product itself. I certainly hope so, for their own sake as well as ours.
     
  2. MPSAN

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    As we used to say at work..."how come we do not have time to do it right, but we do have time to do it over"?
     
  3. boredog

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    An old electronics teacher once said. why do we nerve have time to do it right the first time but have time to do it right the second time;)
     
  4. MPSAN

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    Yes, there are plenty of what I call "wise sayings". I like the rule that two Positives never make a negative...YEAH Right! Actually one I used to use was that if we don't have everything in the new code they get nothing. I also used to say we are going to keep having these morning meetings until we can figure out why nothing is getting done.

    OK, enough OT stuff.
     
  5. Gorkster

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    When a release date is published it creates an expectation which, I assume, is why software companies often don't do so. However, I agree with you completely but would have hoped for communication of explanation. I see from your other post above that Macrium has hinted at a release in the "next few days," but that seems less than an active communication to update those waiting for this announced release. A big deal? No, but it backs up (see what I did there?) some users' concerns, if only to a small degree, who've posted in this thread with regard to the direction the company may be headed. All that said, I haven't checked for other updates yet this afternoon - did so early this morning before I went to bed though.

    I've reflected (see what I did there AGAIN?!) on this possibility, and as I've posted somewhere (the MR forums?) I already have a process in place locking out write access to the volume which contains my backup image files to all users except SYSTEM and running day-to-day under a username with regular, not admin, permissions.

    I'm not necessarily excited to be able to use this feature, but more excited to test it and see how it was implemented. It's something that Macrium has jumped on after it was brought up as the possibility of a good feature by Reflect's users in their forums. I do like the idea, depending on how well the feature works, of finally feeling like the money I spent to upgrade to Reflect 7 was worth it, outside of trying to support Macrium I mean. If I feel comfortable with the implementation, though, I do like the idea of maybe being able to use an admin login on a day to day basis again, as much as a bad idea as that is. The only reason I made the change was to protect my Reflect images though.

    Only crickets since anything else was posted in the thread I brought up the issue in. I haven't seen the problem occur again, but had a motherboard blow-out recently which messed up my scheduled backups at the beginning of this month. I'm waiting to see what happens come the first part of next month when a Full, Diff and Inc are scheduled to run which will duplicate what occurred when the problem showed up. (Replaced my eight year old motherboard with a refurbished one I bought through eBay for $250. Ugh)

    I do only keep Reflect images on the disk I am storing them on...
     
  6. Arvy

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    Got it. Didn't mean to be dense, but just wasn't sure if you might be expecting MIG to accomplish something beyond what it appears likely to accomplish. Backing up other user concerns is certainly commendable. :thumb:

    I'm not very surprised by the "crickets". Judging by the conflicting info I got from them on how the TS v2 API options and the ReflectService work or don't work together to handle scheduled tasks I strongly suspect that they're still trying to resolve the confusion amongst themselves. Sorry about your mobo disaster. That sucks bigtime. Please do follow up whenever you've been able to put together more scheduled task results of your own. You've certainly got my keen interest.
     
  7. fouriron

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    I just replaced my wireless mouse with a bluetooth mouse using a usb-bluetooth dongle. Works fine on Windows but when I boot Reflect recovery disk there is no mouse support. Is there some way I can add the driver?

    Len
     
  8. J_L

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    Even if you have the driver, I think you'll need to pair it again every time you boot the recovery disk, and then re-pair it back to Windows.

    Bluetooth mice and keyboard are only worth it without needing a dongle IMO.
     
  9. Stigg

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    :thumb:
     
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    My bluetooth mouse (without a dongle) is also not active in the recovery environment.
    Don't think one can pair it at that stage? Thankfully it is a laptop so I just use the touchpad.
     
  11. Stigg

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    That's a good testimony for Reflect.
     
  12. J_L

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    Should be with drivers, but it won't remember the pairing being read-only. The mouse also needs to be re-paired back to Windows if you want to use it there.
     
  13. paulderdash

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    After the restore, once I boot back into Windows, it remembers the pairing.
     
  14. MPSAN

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    Hello ALL:
    Just a quick question here about Differential Images! As some of you know, I NEVER do anything but FULL Images. It takes about 12 minutes to do the Image and Verify. However, I keep doing this on my wife's system and it is a waste of time, not to mention filling up her 4TB HDD with FULL Images.

    So, I am now looking at using Differential. I like this, as I only need a FULL and the ONE Differential. Since I can then do a FULL every once in a while the DIFF should not grow very big. Also, can I keep the FULL on an HDD and put the SMALL DIFF on a USB 3.0 Memory Stick? If so, will the Diff Restore ask for the D: drive for the associated FULL Image?

    Now, I know I can mount a FULL Image, but what about a DIFF? Can I mount just a DIFF and extract a file? Also, what happens if I go back to a Previous FULL? Do I then use a diff from that date?

    Thank you ALL for your help. I have used MR for years and ALWAYS only done Full Images, but my wife's system is becoming a PITA to back up!
     
  15. TheRollbackFrog

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    The FULL and any following DIFFERENTIALS must reside in the same folder for successive DIFFs to be executed. You can copy/store them anywhere but they must be together for any additional imaging OR mounting.

    If you want something contained in the DIFF, you will mount the DIFF (which will also mount the parent FULL in the same folder) and present you with the entire volume.

    Any mounting or imaging operation must include the parent FULL located in the same place as the DIFF.
     
  16. MPSAN

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    OK...great. I will have to think about doing the DIFF to the USB. My Full can go there but it would be slow. I MAY think about a SATA III HDD and a drive rack to put in the desktop. This would still be SATA III and NOT USB and would be fast and we can power off and/or remove the drive. Something to think about!
     
  17. TheRollbackFrog

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    I've used a 3-1/2 desktop enclosure in my desktop that hosts 2 x 2-1/2" SATA devices for a few years now. It hosts both SSDs and HDDs and runs at the speed of the SATA connection used to connect it. My main System OS drive uses one of the slots (SATA III) and a DATA storage HDD (WD Black @ 750gB) uses the other and houses all my Macrium "in System" images. Of course using a SATA AHCI driver allows for the HOT SWAP you describe above and it works well. I'm very satisfied with its use and flexibility.

    Also, using a good USB3 dock with a quick 7200rpm HDD inserted also give good storage bandwidth. I use an ORICO horizontal single drive dock and Seagate Barracuda drives and they run about 180mB/s which is as fast as a SATA connection will run those drives.
     
  18. MPSAN

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    Great Froggie! There is a USB Dock that I was looking at. I had looked at a Sabrent EC-DFFN with a fan. I was told I should get one that supports UASP, and IT DOES. Does that make a difference? I see this one...
    ORICO SuperSpeed USB3.0 SATA Hard Drive Docking Station (6619US3)
    However they say it is good for SATA III but specs say SATA I or II. Also, for a Horizontal dock, shouldn't it have a fan? Do you have USB 3.1 version 2? Might that be worth it or is USB 3 all we could get out of a SATA III 7200 rpm drive anyway?
     
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  19. TheRollbackFrog

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    We probably need to take this to another thread, but, the ORICO 6518US3 (Horizontal) is the type of dock I use. It is UASP compatible. The USBv3.1 version of this dock is really not any faster due to the slow devices it manages and its rating is the same as USBv3 so even SSDs will be limited to slightly slower SATA3 speed (5gb/s). The vertical docks work fine but start to have connector problems after some number of device insertions... that problem doesn't exist for the horizontal dock (almost perfect alignment).

    Fans are not needed since the device is out of case and almost fully air exposed in room ambient temp... my HDDs never get hot in that dock. My dock is actually an older model that used to have both USB3 & eSATA options for desktop connection. Because of my office geometry, the dock needed to be farther from the desktop than eSATA would support reliably, hence the USBv3 connection instead.

    All hard drives at 7200rpm cannot sustain a speed much faster than about the equivalent throughput of SATA 1.5 speeds, unless they are HYBRIDs with large NAND caches, and even those are burst oriented rather than sustained speeds, no need for hybrids if using large multi-gB files in your transfers, no advantages. That's why I don't see a real difference between the USBv3 ORICO connected Seagate and the SATA3 direct connected Seagate (less than a 5% difference in speeds).
     
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  20. MPSAN

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    Great Froggie. Yes I agree about a different thread, but did not know which one, or do you mean I should create one. Perhaps I will.. As I said, the Sabrent EC-DFFN looked good, but what would be the new version of the the ORICO that you have?

    Also, I see the Sabrent EC-DFFN for $24.99 with 40% off if I buy two. That makes it $29.99 for TWO and it is Horizontal with a fan. It supports UASP but not sure how much that matters. I could use two so I would think that it has to be worth that price.
     
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  21. TheRollbackFrog

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    Your Sabrent selection seems more than adequate for the job, and the basic design is the same as the ORICO. The modern version of the ORICO is the numbr I used in the previous msg. With the discount, I'd say go with SABRENT.

    PS- I wouldn't close the cover... they say heat rises :D
     
  22. MPSAN

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    Yes, but I would think the included fan would help. Now I need a good HDD. I was thinking 4TB, but perhaps 6 or even 8, but I believe the prices go up a lot. I usually use WD Black but have HGST as well. I always had seen bad reports about Seagate. As long as it is SATA III and 7200 RPM I would think that most would be good as it would mostly be powered off.

    We should be at the end of this so a new subject seems late in the game now. Also, not sure UASP adds anything. The Sabrent has it and my MoBo does as well, but have not had any luck yet getting the USB to show it.
     
  23. Gorkster

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    Seagate... I don't touch them with a 10' pole anymore - it's the only brand of hdd I've had crash, other than the HGST that was 5+ years old and had been stored in an outside closet with huge temperature changes. And the Seagate was replaced 3x under warranty and all three replacements crashed within less than a year as well.
     
  24. TheRollbackFrog

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    I'm not pushing the Seagate brand, just using it as a performance reference between internal SATA3 connection and a reasonably docked USB3 drive.
     
  25. MPSAN

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    OK, froggie, I did it. Not a bad deal on the Sabrent EC-DFFN. I got TWO delivered for $29.99 TOTAL, and then got a Toshiba 4TB Enterprise 7200 RPM drive on sale for $119.95.

    Now I need to add drivers, etc to my Z97 system for UASP, but I am not sure that will help anything.
     
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