Macrium Reflect

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by Stigg, Nov 23, 2013.

  1. TheRollbackFrog

    TheRollbackFrog Imaging Specialist

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    SanyaIV, if that's a W8 system, run a Windows OPTIMIZATION pass on the drive when it's empty. If it's a W7 system, get the SSDTOOL and run that on the same volume... try your test again and let us know how it turned out.
     
  2. SanyaIV

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    Win10, tried that but pretty much same result, 98% fragmentation..
    Makes sense, I'll just accept it as it is.
     
  3. TheRollbackFrog

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    Does the Win10 OPTIMIZATION window state that the device is a Solid State Drive (Media type)?
    That does not make sense to me at all... I surely wouldn't accept it. Your device, when empty, has 0% fragmentation, and with (1) single FULL backup it now says it's 100% fragmented...o_O How big was that single image you made after your CLEAR test and how big is that SSD volume you're saving it to?

    The other thing I'm curious about is Win10 doesn't categorize SSDs as being "fragmented"... it only checks their general health and statuses when they were last "optimized." What process is telling you that it is 100% fragmented?
     
  4. SanyaIV

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    Windows 10 says it's an SSD yes and it was Optimized presumably with TRIM.
    The end size of the image is ~70GiB out of a ~ 238GiB drive.
    I got the fragmentation number from Defraggler (only analyzed) .. I do however have the backup definition as well as an executable to call upon that definition on the backup drive, perhaps that messed things upp.. I'll try completely emptying the drive this time, after that I don't really want to continue trying this considering I'm having to write ~70GiB to the drive each time... Don't know if my many years old SSD likes that...
     
  5. TheRollbackFrog

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    What's the drive model #... and about how old is it?
     
  6. TheRollbackFrog

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    ...and have you looked at the S.M.A.R.T DATA lately for that device... maybe it really is getting worn out (based on its age).
     
  7. SanyaIV

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    It's the Samsung 830 series Desktop SSD, it's from 2012 so not that old but after having it as a system drive and backup drive and also intermediary storage drive, it has had quite some writes to it (Around 15.59 TB) and so I don't really want to keep writing lots of things to it needlessly, you know. I'm sure it can take it though.

    Further discussion should probably be done via PM, don't really want to take up this topic since the discussion is going further off-topic. =)

    Edit:
    Not sure what to look for really, "Reallocated Sectors Count" is "Real Value: 0" and "Wear Leveling Count" is "Real Value: 239" not sure what that means.

    Edit 2: Even after emptying the drive, quick formatting it and optimizing it, it claims it's fragmented after taking a full image. Since it's an SSD I don't really think it matters so I'll stop messing with it before I break something. =)
     
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  8. TheRollbackFrog

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    If it makes you feel any better, both the 830 & 840 Series didn't even blink until they were over 750tB... I think it's just fine :)
    That basically says it all... that will start to rise as the SSD takes fully WRITE AMPLIFIED Nand Cell blocks out of circulation.
    I think your issue is pure DEFRAGGLER, nothing else...
     
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    Hello,

    Microsoft VSS – Keeping it Simple
    http://blog.macrium.com/2016/01/15/microsoft-vss-keeping-it-simple/
     
  10. Minimalist

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    FYI for users of v.5:
    Today I got an email informing me that v.5 technical support will end on 17th February 2016.

    I hope that future Win7 updates won't break compatibility.
     
  11. TheRollbackFrog

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    Uh, oh, @Peter2150 ... your last bastion of imaging software not using a TRACKING FILE and associated DRIVER is about to bite the dust. :eek:

    Woe is YOU!
     
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    With nasty viruses like Cryptolocker, etc... running wild and infecting files on network shares, I had the bright idea of password protecting my network drive that I run my Macrium backups to. (different password than my Windows login)

    Unfortunately I'm not able to locate an option in Macrium for storing the network username/password so it can complete the backup. Am I missing something here?

    Thanks!

    EDIT: Oh heck, it's in "Other Tasks -> Edit Defaults -> Network". I was trying to set it up on the backup definition itself. Carry on, nothing to see here :D
     
  13. pling_man

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    For maximum protection of your network drive against crypto malware it is best NOT to mount the drive. You should not use a mounted drive in Macrium Reflect as your backup location anyway as the scheduled backups will not be able see the drive.

    This is my understanding but please say if I'm wrong.

    Is the password stored in Macrium Reflect encrypted?
     
  14. Peter2150

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    Interesting. So we will have to see how that effects things
     
  15. TheRollbackFrog

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    It looks as though it will be SERVER/ENTERPRISE focused where the most benefit will be gained. The claim is it will also help HOME users somewhat, but if they make it available in that version it will be optional.

    From the little information I've been able to gain (and it's very little), it will be an NT Kernel Mode tracking driver (same as FlashBack) but WILL NOT rely on VSS, it will do its own VSS-like things when it's imaging. If it finds fault with the tracking (this is really the most important part of tracking anything in the FileSystem... fault detection), it will revert to MetaData comparison between FileSystems (what it currently does) to bring the system back to order.

    I have to wait and see how Macrium's work in this area really pans out and be able to review a design document before I can really weigh in on this effort. At the moment I'm glad it appears to be optional.
     
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  16. Peter2150

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    Sounds like it will be a fun play
     
  17. ssbtech

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    I don't have it mapped as a network drive, it's just a password protected network share.

    I'm *assuming* that Macrium would store the password encrypted. This is probably why I was unable to set it up in the backup itself, as these configurations are stored in plain text XML files.
     
  18. pb1

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    Hi

    Short and exact question, is the option - "make an exact copy of" - a.k.a forensic copy, the same as "sector by sector"?

    I have read the manual and searched the net but non the wiser.
     
  19. TheRollbackFrog

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    Short answer... YES!
     
  20. Robin A.

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    A forensic copy and a sector-by-sector copy may be different, depending on how the non-used sectors are managed. In a forensic, these sectors must be copied.
     
  21. pb1

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    I really like short answers!

    Thank you.
     
  22. MPSAN

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    I run Full Image Backups to an internal 3TB HDD. This is a full image of my SSD.
    Since I do have an external 1TB drive in an external enclosure with eSATA connections, can I just copy an image from time to time from the 3TB internal drive to this eSATA drive, or do I need to do a backup image to the eSATA drive?
     
  23. pling_man

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    You can just copy the files. But it's better to use robocopy (the command line utility in WIndows) when the files are very big. Or you can write a command script which uses robocopy.

    You just have to keep all files ina backup set (e.g. Full and any Differential and Incremental backups) together,

    It is also safe to rename backup files when you need to.
     
  24. kronckew

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    ditto. i use a freeware sync program (allway sync) to sync my internal hybrid drive's macrium backup folder to my external (slower) usb3 drive. once set up, it works in the background, adding and deleting as needed. there is a macrium option to copy the backup to a second destination, but i suspect on an external drive that would slow down the backup overall.
     
  25. Robin A.

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    I don´t see the point of copying images. I would create images alternatively in both drives, delete the older ones.
     
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