Linux 2017 – The Road to Hell

Discussion in 'all things UNIX' started by Mrkvonic, Jul 13, 2016.

  1. dogbite

    dogbite Registered Member

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    Ok but it sounds like eating vegan salami or other no-sense food like it.
     
  2. Keatah

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    There!! I fixed it for you.
     
  3. Keatah

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    Totally untrue. Many people need what they are familiar with, what they've learned how to first use a computer with. That would be Windows.

    Many people need stability and consistency. And older versions of Windows provides that. XP, or 7 are good examples. And potentially 10 will fall into that category once they get out of the beta phase.
     
  4. Keatah

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    Linux fans CAN convince Windows users to switch over. All they have to do is provide consistency and slow down the rate of change.

    Windows users are slower and more behind the times, but with good reason. They need their machines to work and not be fiddling with distros all the time.
     
  5. Daveski17

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    :argh:
     
  6. ExtremeGamerBR

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    I don't know, I really want to use Linux, but it is too limited.

    Don't exist a Office 365 alternative good enough, just like a REAL alternative to Dbpoweramp and PerfectTunes, Spotify, Shadow Defender, games, a cloud service (Only MEGA offer Linux app, that I know) etc.

    I don't see problems with the OS per se, the problem is the lack of suport for a lot of specific applications.

    Also all distributions based on Ubuntu 14.04 (except Mint) did not recognize my screen resolution, I would have to mess around with drivers etc. to fix this.

    Not counting the RAID support which has many distributions that do not accept or they require several command lines to work.

    Sorry for my bad english.
     
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  7. Keatah

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    I'm thoroughly entrenched in the Windows environment, particularly XP and 7. I've got everything optimized and running trouble-free. It's what I leaned as a kid back in the 1990's.

    I very well could have gone the MAC or Linux route back then. But I needed something understandable, workable, and affordable. And at the time Winderz fit the bill.

    Am I fanboi? Not really. I'm simply using what works well for me at this time. Should Linux all-of-a-sudden settle down and stabilize and support the things I need to do, then, sure, I'll give it a fair shake.
     
  8. zapjb

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    Excellent English! You make valid points. I wish Canonical [the big fish] would tackle these points.

    The biggest issue I see is ootb MSOffice compatibility mode. What Linux Office programs are used the default settings should be ootb MSOffice compatibility with NO FIDDLING. A seamless integration!
     
  9. Keatah

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    Indeed. Could I get LibreOffice to be a replacement for MSOffice? Probably. How much time would I need to fiddle around with it to achieve that? A lot. Would I get 100% compatibility? No. Is 100% compatibility an issue? For some of us, yes. Others, no. For me? Sometimes. Lotsa grey areas in that respect.
     
  10. zakazak

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    Won't work. It will destroy your word/excel layouts and performance wise it is also miles away from microsoft office. You will notice that once you work with 50mb+ data sheets (excel) or documentation files (word).

    In order to use Arch also for my work/office I need to create a virtual machine which I run via freerdp to use microsoft office + outlook which syncs with our sharepoint and is connected to the whole office environment (e.g. lync, shared calenders for meetings, etc).
     
  11. Keatah

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    Ohh I'm no stranger to working with larger files. I have a big-ass monster-sized Word document that fails to load in LibreOffice. It isn't packed full special tables, charts, images, or macros or funky formatting. Just a lot of text mostly. I can go back as far as MSOffice 2003 and have it load. Probably could even go back further to 2000 or even OfficeXP..

    Sure, I could maybe split it or try to discover the precise reason why it won't load. But that will take a lot of time. So I'm just going to continue using what works.

    In fact when I was evaluating LO as a possible replacement, it was this one issue which nixed the idea. To be totally fair, I'll take a look again at LO this winter and see if they fixed the problem.
     
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  12. NormanF

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    Budgie seems to be the big brother to EOS.

    Stunning wallpaper, slick icons and a plank that reminds me of the Mac OSX Dock.

    Simplicity at its best. You can forget you're actually running GNOME 3!
     
  13. zakazak

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    Good luck with that, I am waiting for this to be fixed in OpenOffice since 2010 when I made my masters degree/project
    For how long does LibreOffice exist? Well since then they werent able to fix that issue as well :S
     
  14. TS4H

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    There is also Open365 - Cloud orientated LibreOffice.

    https://open365.io/

    Anyone tried this?
     
  15. NormanF

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    LibreOffice isn't nearly as good as MIcrosoft Office - with formatting and saving files but that's because the latter uses a proprietary document format.

    If all office suites used the OpenDocument format, interoperability would be significantly improved.

    Free is good and LO keeps getting better with age.
     
  16. Linux based systems have outnumbered Windows based systems when you count Android and iOS as Linux derivatives.

    99% of the people buying a smartphone, did not buy it because of the OS. In real life every car has an engine. Only 1% of the people buying a car buy it because of the engine. Different car brands share chassis platforms and engines. Consumers don't mind, because they buy cars not engines.

    So I agree 99% of the people don't need an OS, the applications on that OS fulfill their needs.
     
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    Agreed. Those who require Windows are mainly due to being tied to certain desktop programs or due to enterprise needs. Trying to convert these users to Linux would be painstakingly difficult.

    For the rest of the human population (aka ordinary folks), their basic needs are already met to an extent by smartphones (and tablets) - go online, browse the web, check email and social networks, do some word processing tasks, play music, manage files, play games, take photos and edit image, etc.

    When Android, ChromeOS are available presenting things in a convenient manner for the end-user (not to mention the 2 gradually overlapping in function), where would Linux as a desktop OS stand in the picture?

    This is the question that distro developers need to tackle to stay relevant in the long term, at least in my opinion.
     
  19. Amanda

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    (stops gaming on Steam, on Arch) That is in no way, shape, or form, a Linux limitation. Blame the developers, not the platform.

    And there's Steam

    But most users won't do that, they won't get out of Microsoft's or Apple's handcuffs. They chose to be limited and bound by it.

    Very good analogy.
     
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  20. NormanF

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    I've been testing KDE Neon. KDE's flagship distro based on Ubuntu LTS is slick.

    Didn't care for the wallpaper.
     
  21. boredog

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    I stuck kubunto on my sisters pc some time ago. at first I could not get it to play media files. I even tried to add the third party stuff following instructions pretty well. then I finally figured out after I had to do an reinstall that it was me after all. on install they offer the option to install third party software. once I did that most went well. only mention this because the guy in the posted link was saying now mint doesn't install third party stuff either. only thing I was not able to get going is the network card to turn on after reboot. always have to unplug the cable for about 20 seconds , then plug it back in again. I had to redo it the rift time because of scareware. at the time not knowing it was just scareware and locking the web page with ransomware not. got hit again on facebook today and I just shut it down, when it booted back up I opened firefox and the page was still there so I cleared cache and was good to go.
     
  22. Anonfame1

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    I get what you are saying, and youre entitled to your opinion. I agree that most distros do a valiant job of presenting a more streamlined desktop experience. Not trying to pump KDE up or anything- I use Openbox and mostly gtk stuff fwiw.

    Let me just offer a counter on your statement as food for thought then. If you install a distribution using Gnome 3, you will likely run into needing this or that function for which there is no gtk3 application- suddenly you have a different titlebar and menu layout and possibly even incompatible themes between your gtk2 and gtk3 applications. Or even if a gtk3 variant does exist, often the menus will be totally different- preferences or options or settings (depending on what that applications calls it) in different menus, different solutions for changing keybindings (some keybinds in options, some in global keybinds, some require config file modifications for keybinds, etc), etc. In KDE, all the applications have settings in the same place, keybinds in the same place, they all use the same theme and QT themes break less often, etc etc.

    Of course, all bets are off if you need a function provided only by a GTK application- right back to square one. Distributions cant help you here- whether KDE or GTK-based, but nonetheless KDE is more consistent. Does this sound agreeable to you?

    I should note that I use Arch, and my number one annoyance with it has been constantly breaking gtk themes (unless I use the 1-2 supported themes). I dislike KDE on my distro of choice, and prefer Openbox to kwin generally... so Im not like some KDE fanboi.
     
  23. Amanda

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    That's why I dislike GTK, it's constantly breaking.

    Here on Arch I use KDE. It's pretty solid ATM, and never caused me any trouble at all.
     
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