Legacy GeForce/nForce Drivers on Windows 10

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  1. puff-m-d

    puff-m-d Registered Member

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    Hello,

    I need a video card for my system that is Windows 10 compatible. I do not need anything fancy as price is my main concern (as I am disabled on a very limited income).
    My system is a HP a6655f, specs available here: http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c01599694
    with a M2N68-LA (Narra3) motherboard, specs here: http://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c01357135
    The current graphics is an integrated nVidia GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 using latest driver version 309.08. This has been changed to legacy status so I doubt that it will ever see any driver updates for Windows 10. You can find some information on the GeForce 6150SE here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_6_series
    According to my system specs, I have 4 expansion slots: 1 PCI Express x16 slot for graphics card, 2 PCI Express x1 slots, and 1 PCI slot.
    I only need a video card that is comparable to my current GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 as I do not need anything fancy. Something in the nVidia software line would be preferred.
    My main concerns are cost/price (as I am on a fixed, very limited budget), and compatibility to my system allowing me to upgrade to Windows 10.
    I know absolutely nothing about video cards, so I have no idea where to start in deciding on a good match for my system and my needs.
    Any help with any advice and/or recommendations will be greatly appreciated.
     
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  2. Joxx

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    As bad (or worse) as your money limitation is your power supply of 300W; I wouldn't go higher than Nvidia's gt 730. Here's a good choice.
    As to compatibility with 10 your worry is the processor, not the graphics; although this one lists DX12 in its specs which mean you'll get all the good of the new API.
     
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    Why do you even want to upgrade?
     
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    No drivers available for my integrated graphics on Windows 10. I have to use the basic windows driver which is very choppy and low resolution.
     
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    Ok makes sense.
     
  7. roger_m

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    What is your video chip? I will try and find drivers for you.
     
  8. puff-m-d

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    nVidia GeForce 6150SE nForce 430
    My system is of the Vista era and nVidia put the video into legacy status over a year ago and there has only been one security update to the drivers in the last 2 or three years. It is really just minimal graphics and not too very good even on Windows 8/8.1. I probably need to upgrade the hardware anyways...
     
  9. roger_m

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    @puff-m-d One of my laptops has GeForce Go 7600 video (9 years old), and I'm using a beta Windows 7/Vista driver from early 2009. From my brief usage of Windows 10 it seems to be runnning fine at its highest resolution - 1920 x 1200. I had major audio latency issues with a more recent driver that was installed by DriverToolkit, but I no longer do since installing the driver I downloaded from nVidia.

    If you are having video problems, you probably just need a different video driver. Of course an old video card is not going to give very good performance, but I do not have the need for anything more than basic video.
     
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    Thanks for the reply roger_m.

    Here is what happened when I upgraded to Windows 10 from 8.1. The "Get Windows 10" app (GWX) would not let me upgrade and told me my video card was incompatible with Windows 10. I did a forced upgrade using the media creation tool from Microsoft. Once the upgrade was complete and I was booted into Windows 10, I found out that the nVidia software/drivers had been uninstalled and removed. In its place was the "Microsoft Basic Display Adapter". In device manager, the nVidia display adapter is not even recognized as not working or otherwise, it is not there anymore and has been replaced with the generic adapter.

    Are you saying that I can install the nVidia software for Windows 8.1 64 bit and Windows 10 will recognize it and it will work? I am not sure since device manager in Windows 10 does not see or recognize the nVidia adapter...
     
  11. roger_m

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    @puff-m-d Yes, if you install an nVidia driver it will replace the basic display adapter. Microsoft have no drivers for your particular video card, which is why you only have the basic display adapter installed. But, when you install the nVidia driver, the Microsoft driver will be replaced by the nVidia driver, and be identified correctly under Device Manager.

    I had the exact same issue with the laptop I mentioned.
     
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    I do not know why I thought it would not work. I am going to take a quick image and give it a try to see what happens. Will post back in a bit...
     
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    Thanks roger_m ;) ...

    I really appreciate your help and advice as I now have my old display adapter up and running again. It would have been nice to have gotten a new video card but it is even nicer to save a bit of money (being disabled and on a very limited fixed income - every penny counts). Thanks to you I just saved a decent bit of change. I am so glad that I was slow in making my decision and did not just run out and purchase a new video card.

    I guess after Microsoft making me jump through hoops getting the Windows 10 upgrade, I had just assumed they uninstalled the drivers because they would not work. I should have used my common sense and tried to install the drivers anyways once I upgraded. I am just glad you saw my thread and posted.

    Strange but after being on a low resolution screen for a week, having the higher resolution back again does not look right now, but I am sure I will soon feel right at home again. A big :thumb: for the help!
     
  14. roger_m

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    @puff-m-d I'm only too happy to help, and it's good to hear you didn't have to buy a new video card. I too am on a limitid budget at the moment, so need to save money as much as I can too.
     
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    Wow I'm glad you're sorted! I've been in similar situations. Pleased you don't have to spend.

    Good job in helping roger m.
     
  16. puff-m-d

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    Hello,

    Thanks to everyone for your responses.

    As noted from my original post:
    I replaced the "Microsoft Basic Display Adapter" with the nVidia 309.08 driver and that is working fine. That covered the "GeForce" part of my chipset. I now have a question concerning the "nForce" drivers which covers:
    Note that this is the latest installer that contains all of both the GeForce and nForce driver sets.Some of the drivers listed are for the display adapter, of which I have already installed a newer version. I can opt out on the install of the older display drivers as the other nForce related drivers are the latest.
    Everything is working fine with the default Microsoft drivers for the additional devices, so my question is : Should I leave as is or install these old legacy drivers? Will I gain anything from doing so? I just do not want to install these nForce drivers just for the sake of installing them. The default Microsoft drivers are quite a bit newer (3 to 5 years). I would just like to know if there are any advantages to using these nForce drivers. They are quite old and originally issued for Vista 64 bit. The Vista 64 bit version was certified by nVidia to work on Windows 7 64 bit but nothing actually changed with the files. I had been using them on Windows 8/8.1 but they were a bit buggy at times, especially concerning direct disk access with some security apps and caused an occasional BSOD, although rare. For example, I could never use Emsisoft on the system as it caused frequent BSOD's concerning direct disk access. I am afraid the nVidia nForce drivers could very well be even buggier with Windows 10. I will probably make an image of my system and test them out in the next few days but also wanted to help my decision as to whether go with the Microsoft default or nVidia nForce drivers along with information of the pros and cons of each, and if anything would actually be gained using one or the other.
     
  17. roger_m

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    @puff-m-d I can't help you with that one. I suggest you create a restore point and then install the drivers and see if you notice any benefit. If not, you can do a System Restore to the restore point you created, or even rollback the drivers with Device Managager.
     
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    Unless you're ready to take @roger_m 's advice along with performing serious benchmark tests, I wouldn't bother (I wouldn't bother anyway: the chances of causing real problems are greater than any possible benefit). Windows Update would probably update them anyway. ;)
     
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    puff-m-d:

    From Nvidia Forums

    "NVDIA GEFORCE 6150SE NFORCE 430 for windows 10.....


    "The latest Windows 8.1 driver from the NVidia Website will allow this card to run Windows 10, but at an older DirectX level. In fact, I am typing this message from a computer that is running Windows 10 with an Nvidia Geforce 6150se NForce 430!

    You need to upgrade it from the Web vs the Windows 10 Upgrade Icon. The web version will upgrade to Windows 10 and install a generic Microsoft Driver. Go online and download the NVidia one, and it will work. Please note some things that require later directx may not work correctly, but many tasks will run fine...."

    Here are the steps:

    1) Go Here and Upgrade to 10: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

    2) Download and install the driver here: http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/56378"

    https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/861720/nvdia-geforce-6150se-nforce-430-for-windows-10/



    Posted 08/05/2015 10:50 PM
     
  20. puff-m-d

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    Hello,

    Just a final update to bring this thread to a conclusion...
    As stated in previous posts, I manually updated my GeForce drivers (video) in order to fix the low resolution issues with the basic drivers from Microsoft. That left me with questions about the nForce drivers. Since I posted that question, Microsoft has updated all of the nForce drivers except one to nVidia drivers from the basic Microsoft drivers. The SATA drivers were even updated to a nVidia version two years newer than the one available on the nVidia site. The only one not updated was the network adapter drivers which is still using the basic Microsoft driver. Since it and my system is working fine, I will leave it as is. Who knows about Microsoft, they may even slip some updated nForce driver for the network adapter in at some point in time. The current Microsoft driver is working fine and has all of the features and options that I need.
    Thanks to everyone that posted and helped me to answer my questions and resolve my issues...
     
  21. zfactor

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    personally on an older system like that i would recc you use the newest ones available through win 10 update (if available) otherwise use newest for windows 8. these would be the most compatible. and you can use any windows 8 or 8.1 drivers just fine on win 10. if you would like to link me to the drivers you want to use ill make a custom iso for you to use when you need to reinstall the whole os, you simply can just use the new iso. otherwise you may have an issue down the line if you do a clean install.
     
  22. puff-m-d

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    Hello zfactor,

    Thanks for both your reply and offer.
    This is a clean install of Windows 10 Pro 64 bit. All of the nForce drivers were handled through Windows Update. They updated to the latest versions of the nVidia nForce drivers except one (network adapter driver) which is using a Microsoft driver. The GeForce driver would only use a basic Microsoft driver (probably because my integrated graphics does not support DirectX 12) but I manually updated it to the latest GeForce driver available for Windows 8.1 64 bit. It is the only one that I had to manually install.
    On a clean install, I only need to manually install the latest GeForce driver and Windows Update satisfactorily takes care of all of the different nForce drivers. I appreciate your offer to create me a custom ISO to install Windows 10 but I think through my experience from this install, it is not really necessary. The clean install followed by the manual install of the GeForce driver, and then doing a Windows Update does the job nicely. Thanks again for your reply and offer...
     
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    no problem i actually thought it was a issue you were having with having win 10 install the proper one during install. this is where a custom iso would be of help.
     
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