Discussion in 'other software & services' started by Kyle_Katarn, Aug 8, 2008.
Thank you for answer ...
Come on now don't BS people, LOL, a cleaner such as this can't make your system run fast, UNLESS you're hard drive was stuffed to the max that there wasn't hardly any free space left, which will cause system slow downs, otherwise a file cleaner won't make a computer run faster...
# DasFox - I do NOT agree with you : read my answers to Kyle in this thread.
The 2008, 08.08: 18.3 Mb cleaning; 2008, 08.22: 94 Mb; 2008, 08.27: 247 Mb .
Together : 360.3 MB !
It was in my Windows, which was already very well cleaned by me, so in others he could clean even more.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
Well some massive cleanup never hurts....
Cleaning never hurts, of course not, it's about gaining back hard drive space is all, and keeping a tidy box...
There are no performance gains from this. Like I said before you can only gain performance if the drive is stuffed up to max capacity and you free it up to perform better, that is all...
I'm not here to agree or disagree with anyone, that's not the point. The point is to simply tell the facts of the program, meaning, what does this application do?
If this is their website:
KCleaner is designed to be the most efficient Hard Disk cleaner...
If this programs just cleans files, then there is no such thing as getting a faster computer from cleaning.
As I stated before, the ONLY way you can gain speed from cleaning is if the hard drive space is filled up to either max. capacity or near max, where speed will be then at a loss, and by freeing up some hard drive space you will then gain back speed.
Anyone that tells you their computer is faster after running a cleaner doesn't know what's going on, it's impossible, unless like I said, you're dealing with a maxed out drive, with little to no space left, that is the only way...
If someone is going to say that cleaning a hard drive gains performance, then this person doesn't understand how a hard drive works.
When a cleaner cleans a hard drive, all it is doing is making the data unreadable to the drive, it is still sitting there on the drive, until it eventually gets written over, and as long as someone didn't use a shredder on the data it can still be recovered. If you can understand this one simple thing, then you will see how it is then impossible to gain speed from this process, because it is not a process that improves anything, other then getting rid of unwanted data...
No good tech work anything is ever going to tell you that you can speed up your pc by cleaning, that is total BS, UNLESS the drive like I said is stuffed to the max or close to it.
As auto-removing temp files reduces fragmentation it has a slight positive impact on performances
It would depend on how that fragmentation happened. It is also rare that someone will ever notice speed increases due to cleaning. So many people claim to see the computer run faster after cleaning, but they forget to take into account the many other factors that affect performance as well when these things are going on. As example at the time they could of been maxing out ram with several applications running, using virtual memory and drive access for usage was up, or viruses/malware was in the system that was cleaned out, along with a dozen other glitches that happens in the Windows system, that without running tools to compare before and after performance tests, just saying you can see the difference most likely is not accurate at all.
Dumping large files at once into the system upwards of gigs at time will really frag the drive out, but it also won't slow it down.
Having files build up over time in temp directories would also frag the drive, but you would need such an extreme case of file build up to cause such terrible fragmentation that you show a performance decrease. Even if someone had 20 GB of temp files on an 80GB hard drive with sufficient ram, there should not be any loss of performance.
Only in extreme cases will cleaning out files improve performance.
Don't take me wrong, I'm all for cleaning, BUT many people the world over seem to think that ONLY cleaning means performance, and this isn't actually true. FRAGMENTATION is really the name of the game, and how it occurs, which is on many levels.
I personally use CCleaner, take a look at this screenshot:
Notice in the upper left CCleaner, then look at the Disk Manager and the fragmented drive...
On this box the drive is CLEAN, not a speck of dust in it, YET I have a fragmented drive. The point I'm trying to make is many people mislead people because they themselves don't know, and make people think that CLEANING is an end all to their problems, 'Clean Your Computer And Gain Performance', this in itself is not true. Fragmentation happens many ways, and cleaning isn't all someone needs to do to improve performance.
Clean your drive, frag it and make sure their are no problems with it, clusters, sectors, running chkdsk, doing ALL things to optimize a drive, this is how you gain real performance, that's the point, ALL things, not just cleaning.
Yes cleaning helps, BUT if someone simply cleans their drive and sees it running faster then something is wrong...
In my 20+ years of cleaning computers I've never seen one go faster just from cleaning the temp files out, and I've dealt with some pretty messy computers from people that NEVER cleaned them since they owned them, and we are talking about years worth of temp files and a drive that was never defragged, and in the most extreme cases like this, I was then able to see a little gain, but then and only then.
I too use to believe this, but trying to see this performance increase, I doubt the eyes could ever notice it, and again as I mentioned before there are many things that happen in the background of windows, effecting how people see the computer speed...
P.S. Here is a TEST if you still don't believe me. Since we are talking about cleaning, and hard drives filling up and getting fragged, do this test to see for yourself. Get several DVDs and rip them to the hard drive in a Temp directory of your choosing, and do this upwards of around 20GB of data. Now this is going to cause one heck of a fragged drive far worse then files filling up over time in the temp directory. After you've ripped your DVDs to the drive, reboot the computer and run it as normal, and tell us if you then really see any difference in speed?
I guarantee you will not see any slow downs, UNLESS you have the drive maxed out or close to it, so make sure you leave more then 10% of hard drive space free, then clean it out, reboot and run the computer again, and I'm sure you are not going to notice any speed changes at all. And now you have just done your own cleanup test simulated, so that you can see this like as if you have filled up your temp file over the months.
Then if we really want to get technical, get yourself some benchmarking software when you run those tests.
I've never used this program, but I've been told it's pretty good, HD Tune: http://www.hdtune.com/
If we're going to talk performance, then let's run tests and benchmark, and see the facts because I already have done this in the past...
Thanks for this interesting article
Ok like Mama always said the Proof is in the Pudding...
So with that in mind I've run a test to prove that you won't see any differences after cleaning.
First I ran CCleaner to show the system temp files are cleaned out:
Next Disk Defragmenter is run showing some fragmentation:
Next Disk Defragmenter is run to clean up fragmentation:
Next the system is rebooted...
After the reboot HD Tuner Pro is run to do a read test on the hard drive:
(REMEMEBER THIS DRIVE IS NOW CLEANED AND DEFRAGGED!)
Now it's time to fill the drive up, like simulating the 'Temp' files, and frag the drive and even go one step further which will reduce performance, FILL the drive up almost to max capacaity, beyond the recommended 10%-15% free space.
Here the files are placed in a users Local Settings Temp directory:
Disk Deframenter is checked, this time showing the hard drive needs defragging:
Disk Defragmenter shows in this picture how fragmented the drive is, also NOTE that there is only 226MB of 'Free Space':
HD Tune is now run on the fragged out drive that is also filled close to capacity:
TEST RESULTS SIDE BY SIDE:
Clean defragged drive specs given by HD Tune:
Transfer Rate Min: (15.2 MB/Sec) - Max. (41.4 MB/Sec) Avg. (35.8 MB/Sec)
Access Time: 14.8ms
Burst Rate: 60.0 MB/Sec
CPU Usage: 2.6%
Fragmented drive specs given by HD Tune:
Transfer Rate Min: (6.4 MB/Sec) - Max. (41.4 MB/Sec) Avg. (35.6 MB/Sec)
Access Time: 14.7ms
Burst Rate: 60.0 MB/Sec
CPU Usage: 3.2%
With the fragmented drive you'll notice there is a drop with the minimum transfer rate, BUT OVERALL the averages between the the clean and fragged drive is only .2 MB/Sec, that is POINT 2...
Access times only show a .1 difference.
The worst case scenario is when you fill your drive to capacity. Most Techs agree 10%-15% is a good rule of thumb...
I intentionally filled the drive to almost max capacity beyond the recommendation of free space to show that even with a bad fragmented drive and filled up, that the transfer and access times didn't degrade performance by much, and not enough for anyone to even notice.
TAKE THE TEST YOURSELF:
1. Run your favorite cleaner
2. Defrag the hard drive
4. After reboot run either HD Tune or another favorite benchmark tool.
5. Fill up your drive with files. (DVDs or Avi will do nice and quick)
6. Check Disk Defragmenter and notice the fragmentation
8. Run HD Tune, or your favorite tool, and now compare results of before and after...
Have fun testing, and REMEMBER there is no substitute for benchmarks, especially when someone tells you that a particular program improves performance, get out your trusty benchmark tool and test it, or look for others that have done the same...
Btw a good cleaner remains a good cleaner.
Thank you for this analysis. Would it be worth a dedicated topic ?
Yes of course cleaning is good to help keep wasted space to a minimum and also to improve the LIFE of the drive...
I made a post for this in the same software & services section here.
OK ! thanks man !
KCleaner - 0.10
no portable version this time?
Available from our download page too of course !
KCleaner - 0.11
Thank you for this update, your softs are great piece of software (i use SuMo and KCleaner)
Thank you, Kyle!
One little question: what is this: RelevantKnowledge
worried bb PROROOTECT
An optional component. If you installed it (even by mistake) you can have it uninstalled thru its own uninstaller (control panel,...)
Learn more : http://www.kcsoftwares.com/?rk
Thanks Kyle, I fired this !!!
You're welcome !
KCleaner - 0.12
KCleaner - ATTENTION!!!
After installing KCleaner, RevelantKnowledge installs, too.
The specific folder (i.e. RelevantKnowledge) contains the following two (2) files:
My system alerted me for a Startup entry created:
In the Start >Programs >RelevantKnowledge,
a Bookmark greated leads to the company site:
A Marketing Research Company...
Not to mention the alerts from my security setup flagging
RelevantKnowledge = AdWare trying to establish connection download things etc. etc.
I repeated the installation of KCleaner twice to be sure about all the above!
-Why is KCleaner associated with all these?
-Is is a Freeware having Adware?
Re: KCleaner - ATTENTION!!!
Lots of Freeware apps come with adware, it helps pay the bills.
This has already been explained...
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