Ivan May Just Be a Messenger

Discussion in 'ten-forward' started by ronjor, Sep 15, 2004.

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  1. ronjor

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  2. Cochise

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    SHOOT the Messenger then........ :D





    Cochise, :cool:
     
  3. ronjor

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    Some guy claims to have a powder type substance that they can seed these storms with and tame them abit. Would you go for that?? :D
     
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    I think that idea first came along in the 50s & 60s. It would be as effective as trying to put a cork in a volcano. :D

    BTW, what is Ivan's message? Perhaps, "Don't get cocky!!!"
     
  5. ronjor

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    How's this for a forecast. Pensacola, FL

    Tonight
    Hurricane force winds. Widespread showers and thunderstorms. East winds 30 to 40 mph with gust to 55 mph becoming southeast 80 to 90 mph with gusts to around 120 mph. Lows in the upper 70s. Chance of rain 100 percent.
    rain
    Thursday
    Hurricane force winds. Widespread showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 80s. South winds 65 to 75 mph with gusts to around 95 mph becoming southwest 45 to 55 mph with gusts to around 70 mph in the afternoon. Chance of rain 100 percent.

    Thursday Night
    Mostly cloudy. Windy. Numerous showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the lower 70s. Southwest winds 25 to 35 mph with gusts to around 50 mph becoming west 15 to 25 mph with gusts to around 40 mph after midnight. Chance of rain 60 percent.
     
  6. nadirah

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    PHEW!!! Luckily here in Singapore we have no hurricanes or tornadoes!
     
  7. Devinco

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    Hi Nadirah,

    But you have Typhoons in Singapore, don't you?
    They can be just as bad as Hurricanes sometimes, or so I've heard.
     
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    No typhoons, but mostly hot and humid
    But fortunatly a lot of nice airconditionned places with a lot of cooooool drinks.
    Hmmm...anyway it was there in my time.....;)
     
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    Well it looks like what's left of Ivan decided to pay a visit to us a little further north in Tennessee. They have already closed the school system down in my county due to the potential for flooding tomorrow. My girls are so unhappy about that... ;)
    This is a look at the weather here-
    http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mrx/
     
  11. ronjor

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    Good luck Etsnuffy. Those storms can really hold the rain.
     
  12. nadirah

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    Why don't you visit Singapore to find out? :)
     
  13. Devinco

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    Sure, I'll be right over. When is the best time of year to catch a typhoon? ;)
     
  14. WYBaugh

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    About global warming/hurricanes:

    On average, six Atlantic hurricanes occur per year. However, there are significant deviations from this average. In 1916 and 1950, 11 hurricanes were observed, and no hurricanes were observed in 1907 and 1914. During 1893, 1950, and 1961 seasons, four hurricanes were observed in progress at the same time.

    From Nation Center for Policy Analysis:

    Myth # 4: Human-Caused Global Warming Will Cause Cataclysmic Environmental Problems. Proponents of the theory of human-caused global warming argue that it is causing and will continue to cause all manner of environmental catastrophes, including higher ocean levels and increased hurricane activity. Reputable scientists, including those working on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the United Nations organization created to study the causes and effects of global climate warming, reject these beliefs.

    Sea levels are rising around the globe, though not uniformly. In fact, sea levels have risen more than 300 feet over the last 18,000 years - far predating any possible human impact. Rising sea levels are natural in between ice ages. Contrary to the predictions of global warming theorists, the current rate of increase is slower than the average rate over the 18,000-year period.

    Periodic media reports link human-caused climate changes to more frequent tropical cyclones or more intense hurricanes. Tropical storms depend on warm ocean surface temperatures (at least 26 degrees Celsius) and an unlimited supply of moisture. Therefore, the reasoning goes, global warming leads to increased ocean surface temperatures, a greater uptake of moisture and destructive hurricanes. But recent data show no increase in the number or severity of tropical storms, and the latest climate models suggest that earlier models making such connections were simplistic and thus inaccurate.


    Since the 1940s the National Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory has documented a decrease in both the intensity and number of hurricanes.

    From 1991 through 1995, relatively few hurricanes occurred, and even the unusually intense 1995 hurricane season did not reverse the downward trend.

    The 1996 IPCC report on climate change found a worldwide significant increase in tropical storms unlikely; some regions may experience increased activity while others will see fewer, less severe storms.
    Since factors other than ocean temperature such as wind speeds at various altitudes seem to play a larger role than scientists previously understood, most agree that any regional changes in hurricane activity will continue to occur against a backdrop of large yearly natural variations.

    What about other effects of warming? If a slight atmospheric warming occurred, it would primarily affect nighttime temperatures, lessening the number of frosty nights and extending the growing season. Thus some scientists think a global warming trend would be an agricultural boon. Moreover, historically warm periods have been the most conducive to life. Most of the earth's plant life evolved in a much warmer, carbon dioxide-filled atmosphere.

    Conclusion. As scientists expose the myths concerning global warming, the fears of an apocalypse should subside. So rather than legislating in haste and ignorance and repenting at leisure, our government should maintain rational policies, based on science and adaptable to future discoveries.

    Bill
     
  15. nadirah

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    Devinco, if you really come to Singapore, I guarantee you that you will not experience any typhoons or tornadoes here. Singapore has never experienced any natural disaster before! If you don't believe me, come here and ask the people living in Singapore.
     
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