Internet Surveillance - How do you feel about it?

Discussion in 'polls' started by RockLobster, Sep 29, 2017.

?

How concerned are you about online surveillance

  1. I don't believe there is any mass surveillance

  2. I have nothing to hide therefore I am not concerned

  3. I am a little concerned but not enough to make me reconsider posting my views and opinions

  4. I am concerned and feel a little nervous about posting my opinions on some topics

  5. I am very concerned therefore I no longer post my views and opinions on some topics

Results are only viewable after voting.
  1. Osaban

    Osaban Registered Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2005
    Posts:
    4,478
  2. bo elam

    bo elam Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2010
    Posts:
    4,529
    Location:
    Nicaragua
    I haven't put tape over the camera but I uninstalled a program called YouCam (the Webcam?) that came with my W10. I also got rid of Skype and disabled the camera and microphone in Settings. Perhaps that's enough. Personally, I don't have a problem with the surveillance done by the US, but you never know who maybe watching.

    Bo
     
  3. Behold Eck

    Behold Eck Registered Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2013
    Posts:
    499
    Location:
    The Outer Limits
    Yeah, same here because they demand such a ridiculous amount of info just to signup and they also get paid for every new member verified.

    God knows what kind of a profile they`ll have on you a couple of years down the line ?

    Regards Eck:)
     
  4. mattdocs12345

    mattdocs12345 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2013
    Posts:
    1,837
    Location:
    US
    I use Facebook. I just post pictures that I want my friends to see and wouldn’t mind rest of the world seeing. Otherwise I cannot be found unless you are a friend of my friend. And I just don’t add anyone. My friends can but the new guy (bot) still won’t see my profile. It’s a great way to stay connected with school friends. The people who get in trouble on Facebook are those who have little self control or assume what they post will not get out.
     
  5. Mrkvonic

    Mrkvonic Linux Systems Expert

    Joined:
    May 9, 2005
    Posts:
    9,021
    There should be another option on the low end of the spectrum (in addition to there isn't and nothing to hide).

    Companies are collecting data, and I don't care.

    Mrk
     
  6. NGRhodes

    NGRhodes Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2003
    Posts:
    2,357
    Location:
    .
    I assume this is in the context of public posted information, in which case I have no concern about myself being monitored.
     
  7. reasonablePrivacy

    reasonablePrivacy Registered Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2017
    Posts:
    107
    Location:
    Some country in the European Union
    I think question is poorly formulated.
    Internet surveillance is most likely to affect messages sent as "private messages" i.e. e-mails, messages inside forums to other members, messages inside instant messaging programs for those, who don't post publicly their opinions.
    For those who are posting their views publicly (searchable Internet) it shouldn't matter if Internet is surveilled or not, because they are posting it publicly, so their views are public anyway.
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2017
  8. RockLobster

    RockLobster Registered Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2007
    Posts:
    1,098
    I don't think I formulated the question poorly. I use the word surveillance to mean, the monitoring and recording of the messages, comments, emails, posts, pictures, contact lists and other interactions between internet users for the purpose that they may later be used against the user(s) in some way, legal or otherwise, in the future.
    I think you are confusing speaking or commenting in a public space, with speaking or commenting in a public space while under surveillance.
    There is a big difference.

    You might go to a restaurant with your buddies. You would know others could hear some of what you all talk about but generally that's not a problem but you might lower your voices if you talk about something you only want your group to hear.
    If a surveillance guy with a camera and a microphone sidles up to your table you all would probably feel a little uncomfortable, you would be more guarded about what you say and would probably not discuss or mention some things at all.

    Any agency who is not the intended recipient of a messege, or email, who is secretly monitoring and recording them for the purpose that they may later be used against the sender or recipient(s) is engaging in surveillence.
    Comments on Facebook and other social networking sites are sold to the public as private within the group of friends/contacts.
    Any agency not invited by the user(s) to take part in and is secretly monitoring and recording those interactions for the purpose that they may latet be used against members of the invited group is engaging in surveillance.
    Internet forums are sold to the public as an open discussion media. Any agency that is monitoring and recording those forum posts for the purpose that they may be used against the forum member(s) in the future is engaging in surveillance.
     
  9. plat1098

    plat1098 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2016
    Posts:
    1,116
    Location:
    Da mean streets of Brooklyn
    I believe there's "mass surveillance" especially via Facebook and others, but what are you going to do about it? So my vote went to second option. I really don't care. If some idiot has a problem with whatever I've said, well, come talk to us. Please, we want you to. :shifty:

    Surveillance is consistent monitoring of a given arena and the collection of data thereof for un/disclosed purposes. I would say this forum is under surveillance, right? I have a vague idea by whom also. :argh: Come talk to us. :)
     
  10. RockLobster

    RockLobster Registered Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2007
    Posts:
    1,098
    I think they do already. As for whether or not we should be concerned, we will see how many people in the near future start to find things they said flippantly to friends using online media are deliberately misconstrued and twisted and then presented as evidence to be used against them in court cases.
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2017
  11. reasonablePrivacy

    reasonablePrivacy Registered Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2017
    Posts:
    107
    Location:
    Some country in the European Union
    It is a properties of a medium, some would say nature of medium. Sound wave traveling through air is something ephemeral by its nature. It is also effectively transmitted to limited space. It's not like everybody in the world can hear what you are saying. Unless you would add a secund medium such as microSD card inside microphone, but that different problem for me.
    If you are choosing the medium, you should be aware of its properties and context and chose consciously. Web forum is meant to be something not ephemeral (usually lasts a few months or several years) and usually is searchable by people all around the world. For me it makes a difference.
    If you would comment inside private forum (you must log in to see anything and forum rules prohibits making anything public without other people consent) that would be a different story.
     
  12. SouthPark

    SouthPark Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Posts:
    289
    Location:
    USA
    After the 2013 revelations, I stopped posting completely about certain controversies and issues.
     
  13. illumination

    illumination Guest

    This above, is your answer. If that guy were to slide up to your table, you just would stop talking and not divulge anything. Everything on the internet is seen by someone besides intended recipients, as someone runs that software, for those sites and services, logs are kept, databases constantly filling. The answer is simple when it comes to privacy on the internet, there is none, simply put, do not divulge anything on the internet you do not want known.
     
  14. sukarof

    sukarof Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2004
    Posts:
    1,774
    Location:
    Stockholm Sweden
    I am not so concerned about government or commercial surveillance, that I can handle, more about people in general. Here in Sweden there is a tendency to contact employers about what someone writes. I´ve seen a couple of times people getting fired for something they wrote on facebook. And in my eyes the things they wrote were not something anyone who off duty writes on their private facebook page should get fired for (and what they wrote had nothing to do with the company. They were fired because they didnt share so called "values" that the company claim to have.
     
  15. RockLobster

    RockLobster Registered Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2007
    Posts:
    1,098
    @sukarov I think they are doing that everywhere, I know a girl who "pulled a sickey" to go to the beach with her friends a couple of months ago, she was dumb enough to post pictures of them at the beach on FB, her boss saw them and fired her the next day.
    Also employers regularly look people up on FB when they apply for a job.
     
  16. reasonablePrivacy

    reasonablePrivacy Registered Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2017
    Posts:
    107
    Location:
    Some country in the European Union
    Another way for virtue signalling.
     
Loading...