No need to send system specs to the internet community but to Gavin's personal email is rock tight. http://www.microsoft.com/java/download/40fixes.htm java fixes on VM, including your version 3805. WS 5.6 is their own recommendation to take that. They should not downgrade a fine working version with installing some upgrade of any other software. Isn't it surprising the most of the win98se community is running TDS without a problem from the first start? Did you try it without Mcafee, to name an example? It should not conflict as it runs without a problem together on many other systems, or with NAV, NOD32, you name them. But sometimes some settings are needed more specificly in an av to avoid conflicts with other programs. My system ran miles better when i long ago uninstalled mcafee, i had kept it even some time after online scans found a few dangerous viruses and trojans mcafee had not even noticed, (this was before i had TDS, those finds caused me to look for better protection and ran into TDS, so this is why i know it ran even on my system together), have tried various others which sometimes caused real disaster on my system while thousands of people are really happy with them, and even in the worst situations TDS kept running good without any problem. Did you try with SP1 on IE6.0? A 25mb download must be changing something.