I thought this needed it's own post rather than using another post that's already been opened aboput sygate. I sent an email about the loopback problem to Sygate support and ask if they was going to fix the problem. Here's the response they gave me. Take it for what it's worth. Dear Customer, This issue has been filled and is currently being reviewed. They are addressing this issue but there is not a definite date for a release that this issue will be fixed. However I can assure that it is being reviewed and not ignored. Thank you. Edit: took off the must read.