Hasleo Backup Suite

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  1. pb1

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    Only for backups, not restores?
     
  2. TheRollbackFrog

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    Restores are done nicely by the UI if operational and by Rescue Media if not... not sure I see a reason to do restores via the Command Line.
     
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    Of course.
    What i meant, but never wrote, was, if they plan something like IFW has for restoring, automatic restoring with the use of Bat files?
     
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    @pb1 - at this point they're headed back to the UI development defined by their roadmap so I don't know when they'd return to this aspect of the product. They've asked on their Forum (HERE) if their users prefer more than just Backup capability in their CLI. If interested, I'd encourage you to join their Forum and respond to their request in the POST mentioned above.
     
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  5. TheRollbackFrog

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    @pb1 - I did POST in Hasleo's Forum concerning a rudimentary need for a CLI implementation of a RESTORATION operation... we'll see where it goes.
     
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    Hi @TheRollbackFrog - So far they seem to have a very responsive developer which does implement useful features and corrects situations current user's encounter.

    I think at this point without moving too fast that i'm quite content to run the latest release and exhibit my Images and Restores with EITHER the 'One Time Boot Menu' (Pretty Efficient) or my dandy favorite using the UFD dongle to conduct restore operations. I almost ALWAYS create Images with a very 'LIVE' session and even while using the machine normally as it does it's imaging in the background. :cool:
     
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    Ok. Interesting to see what happens then, they seems to be pretty perceptive to user input.

    Have you tried to do a clone of your internal disc to an external disc, and then restore that clone to the internal with the help of their emergency disc?
    I have done that, and after completion, which seemed to go fine, the pc booted into the blue "Recovery" screen mode. Tested it several times and recreated everything but always the same. I have been in communication with them, directly, so they know about it.

    That is something for you to try, since you where a glutton you said.

    That problem, is the only item that holds me back from using this program even though backup and restore never has failed.
     
  8. TheRollbackFrog

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    Using Hasleo's newly developed rudimentary CLI (Command Line Interface) and Microsoft's Powershell, I have set up a basic GFS (Grandfather Father Son) backup scheme under Windows 10.

    The scheme produces a DAILY Incremental, a WEEKLY Differential, and a MONTHLY Full image. At each MONTHLY Full image time, it archives, as a backup, the current image chain prior to starting the new chain with a Full image. Therefore, at all times, it has at least (2) Full backups with all accompanying Diff/Inc images. This is a bit different than my standard Macrium retention scheme, but close. If I eliminate the Incrementals in the backup chain (which is pretty easy), it will be much closer to my Macrium backup scheme, but not quite exact.

    For me this is a good first step in retention/aging of Hasleo backup images... I'm sure it will improve over time as their UI offers advanced scheduling features to do similar operations.

    I'll letcha know how this scheme really worked after this coming month change in 4-days (I'll be in Europe on vacay until 10June while this scheme runs for the first time <Yikes!!>... my System may be on the floor when I get home :eek: )... wish me luck!
     
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    I guess I don't quite understand what you mean when you say... "then restore that clone to the internal with the help of their emergency disc." Are you trying to use the Rescue Media to COPY the clone's data or are you physically replacing the original internal BOOT disk with the clone? I never heard of anyone trying to COPY a clone back to another disk. Sorry, I'm a little slow with this... :confused:
     
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    Well, I just discovered that Hasleo will not allow you to CLONE an OS-based disk to a USB drive which is fine, those are the Windows rules... no USB-based Windows installations ('cept "Windows to Go"). @pb1 - are you referring to a DATA only disk above in your cloning scenarios?
     
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    Using the clone as a copy of the disc, but on an external disc.

    So, a full disc clone of the internal NVMe SSD to an external classic HDD, then, inserting the usb, Emergency disc, with the recovery environment and booting into it and restoring that clone back to the original. A.k.a, the mentioned NVMe SSD.

    That was what i tested and it did not work as it should.
     
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    Automation with Windows is Splendid when control is achieved and your own design is implemented and performing to perfection. This is something, (albeit different format/not imaging) which i achieved with yes, Shockwave Flash! And why i will never part with it. There's no security risk on my end run locally because flash player is all but been deemed (and it is apparently) discontinued. However it's usefulness is akin to these Batch Scripts for Imaging/Restores. (so long as the software program supports it) :D

    Have a super good visit on vacation @TheRollbackFrog and safe returns. :cool:
     
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    Sorry, I'm still a bit flummoxed. If that internal NvME SSD is your main BOOT disk (w/Windows on it)... Hasleo will not let me clone it to a USB disk of any kind, telling me it cannot do that with a Windows disk. I ask... is that internal NvME just have DATA partition(s) on it or is it also the Windows disk. If it is the Windows disk, I don't know how you ever cloned it using Hasleo.

    Can you walk me through the procedure you used to get that clone?
     
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    1.Choose Clone and the disc you want to clone.
    2.Click Next.
    3.Fill in - Keep partition layout.
    4.Activate "Advanced mode" up in the right corner.
    5.Uncheck - Make Windows bootable.
    6.Check all the partitions on disc 1, from the right to left or left to right.

    The rest you are familiar with.

    Happy cloning.
     
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    @pb1 - thanx for the quick cloning lesson! My next question would be... since you unCHECKed "Make Windows BOOtable" when you made the clone, what did you do after restoration to the NvME to make that restored clone BOOTable? When I look at the clone, it definitely will never be BOOTable until some tweaking is done on the restored clone (it knows not where the "active" UEFI FAT32 partition is (for BOOTing), and it doesn't have the Windows partition marked as the BOOT partition (which it needs to make the next step after successfully BOOTing)... both of these need to change to make that restored clone BOOTable.
     
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    During my conversation with Hasleo i understood it as that bootable item was if one wanted to use it to boot with, like a Windows to go, and not for the purpose in hand. That may be a faulty assumption on my part.

    As for booting, that was just the thing, it never did. It looked as if it moved the clone back to the original and that all went well, but when booting after all was done, it never did. So if, what you have mentioned is the problem, this HBS do not have an actual cloning feature! But they say so on their home site and if using WinToUsb to clone, it says it can not and that one should use HBS to do that. My conversation with them ended rather abruptly when we had gone through all items of actions and ticking/unticking this and that, i took that as if they new what they wanted and that is it.

    But, again, if it is as you say, one can not clone to an external disc nor to a usb and their info about it`s capability to do so, is wrong. Also, HBS changed the order of the 2 last partitions when doing it as i described. 6 became 7 and vice versa.

    The following is the answer i just got from them about this item:
    "You need to tick the "Keep partition layout" option when cloning to keep the original partition layout completely, and this is not the reason why Windows won't boot. To ensure that Windows starts properly, we must use the system clone option, however the system cloning feature is not available in the WinPE recovery environment. In WinPE, HBS cannot correctly identify the system partition (the partition where the boot loader is located) and the boot partition (the partition where the Windows directory is located), so it has not corrected the BCD and registry, which is the reason why Windows cannot start and we will improve it in future releases.

    To clone a disk under WINPE and want to ensure that Windows can boot, you must check the "Sector by sector clone entire disk" option."

    I will of course try their suggestion immediatly.
     
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  17. Brian K

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    Cloning (Drive Copying) has gone out of fashion. I haven't cloned for years. We used to advise people not to clone to a drive in a USB enclosure because the disk geometry will be different from an internal drive and when you eventually put the cloned drive in a computer, there is a good chance that it won't boot.

    Ideally, the target drive of a cloning process should be internal, in its "final resting place". Then it will be seen with correct geometry.

    A "reverse clone" is acceptable, where the source drive is in a USB enclosure and the target drive is internal.
     
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    Can you explain IN BRIEF where a Clone is anymore efficient than say moving a regular DISK HBS image to another similar system where it would easily be Bootable? I never have Cloned, not one single time since i haven't ever been able to understand the purpose of such when an image can be made to boot if it doesn't at first to dissimilar hardware machine.
     
  19. Brian K

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    Norton Ghost 9 introduced the term Disk Copy almost 20 years ago. It's a better term than Clone because an image/restore procedure also produces an identical copy. Which is a clone. Both methods produce a clone.

    Typically, Disk Copy is used when copying your system drive to another drive; either the same or a different sized drive. Both drives are usually internal. With laptops, you would need to do a "reverse clone". Disk Copy is a one stage process. Image/restore is a two stage processs. Most people already have an image, so in this situation, time wise, it's single stage. Both methods work so it's a personal choice which one you use.

    If you plan to leave both drives in your computer after doing a Disk Copy, you must make sure to "Change Disk ID and GUIDs". Otherwise Windows will take the target drive Offline because it has a signature collision with another drive that is online.
     
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    Yea, what @Brian K said! :D The only reason I've ever seen for cloning... and it had to be to an internal drive, was a fast switchover (faster than an image restoration) when your primary OS disk failed. And even then, to keep it in your System until you needed it, it had to be made unBOOTable due to ID collisions (as Brian mentioned)... most imaging tools (incl. Hasleo) do this for you when cloning. When you finally needed it, it had to be made BOOTable before it could be used.

    These days with NvME SSDs and SATA SSDs, the compressed image restorations are pretty fast... probably no real need for a clone, per se.
     
  21. Brian K

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    Maybe I'm lucky or perhaps unlucky but I've had more motherboard failures than HD failures. HD failures are rare in my experience.

    None of my SSDs have failed.
     
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    It's just the opposite on this end. No motherboard failures in well over a decade!

    However have blown through a respectable few HDD's. NOT SSD's however.
     
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    A few discoveries along the way...

    A HBS task is considered the full scope of the task... event triggers, pre & Post Commands, etc. Since it's a queued operation, the non-queued running of the Command Line Interface (BackupCmdUI.exe) referencing a currently queued running Task will produce inconsistent results and occasional errors.

    Basically, what this means is you cannot run BackupCmdUI.exe during the pre or post Command function of an active task (what I was trying to do with Powershell)... the results will be inconsistent, possibly with errors.

    My current workaround has me defining a task within the main app but not running it there using the app-based scheduler. I then use a home made GFS (Grandfather, Father, Son) Powershell script (via Windows Task Scheduler), using BackupCmdUI.exe to do the following...

    -On the 2nd of every month, empty the backup chain folder then move the primary imaging chain to the backup folder.
    -On any weekday except MONDAY, produce an INCREMENTAL image, unless primary folder is empty, then produce a FULL image (automatic operation by HBS).
    -On Mondays, produce a DIFFERENTIAL image, unless primary folder is empty, then produce a FULL image (automatic operation by HBS).

    This script gives me 1-2 months worth of backups at any given time with a DIFFERENTIAL on Mondays and an INCREMENTAL on all other weekdays, except the 2nd of each month when a FULL is produced to start a new primary image chain. It's rudimentary, but works well... :cool:
     
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    Hasleo resolved the compatibility issues with Windscribe, including the crash and interprocess communication problems. They haven't officially released the version with the fixes yet.
     
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    Good to know that they are addressing what they can, when they can. Thanks @khanyash

    For a small operation, they certainly have come out LARGE on features & options!
     
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