Hackers 'expose global warming con'

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  1. Keyboard_Commando

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  3. noone_particular

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    This could just as easily be a creation of nonsense put out by those who have the most to lose with restrictions on greenhouse gases. Big oil comes to mind.

    Global warming is incredibly difficult to measure. It's almost impossible to be truly accurate without having temperature sensors in every square mile of the planet. Trying to determine how much is natural variance and how much is human caused is just as hard. IMO, the best we can do is to let long term observation of individual areas tell you what's changing.

    I've lived in the same county for 35 years and in the same home for 30 years. Everything I'm seeing here tells me that the climate is changing. Winters used to get bitterly cold, as low as-20° to -40° several times every winter. It's been years since we've been that cold. It used to take until the beginning of May to melt all of the snow. Now it's gone by late march or early April. We used to get almost 200 inches of snow in winter. The last several years a lot of the precipitation has been rain and freezing rain. I'd lived here 15 years before I'd heard of "thundersnow", thunder and lightning in a snowstorm. Now it happens a few times every winter. The first fall frosts are coming almost 3 weeks later than they used to. The northern Great Lakes aren't freezing over like they used to. I don't need numbers to tell me the weather is changing.

    Probably the biggest change I'm seeing is the loss of a basic stability or pattern in the weather. Seasons are less defined. This year, October felt like November and November feels more like late September. Normally, we have permanent snow by now, not temps in the 40s and 50s. We're getting big thaws in the winter, warm enough to make sap start flowing only to have it freeze hard and kill the trees. Fluctuations like those killed 2 big maples I had out front, each over 100 years old.

    I wish they'd stop their stupid political games and address this problem on a global, national, and individual level. This "why should we (the USA) cut back when they (China, developing countries, etc) are using more" is childish crap and shows the mentality of those in charge. Emissions are additive. All increases and decreases make a difference in the total.
     
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    wattsupwiththat.com normally has a lot to say about those things, sometimes very funny. like the reporting of that globalwarming cheerleading group going to one of the poles to highlight globalwarming and getting court-out time and again by an excessively cold winter. they were giving daily updates on their blog too lol. in the end they cut short their trip because they were too cold :D what a bunch of wallies :argh:

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  5. estervantes

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    Hackers have served a useful purpose here in exposing a calculated pro AGW disinformation campaign and apparently illegal attempts to avoid FOI requests for fear that the data contradict AGW assertions.

    Someday in the future, people will look back and see AGW as massive hysteria - hysteria that so far has cost $75,000,000,000 and with a lot more to come. But more important than that will be the loss of freedom as international bodies assume greater control over our lives.

    Incidentally, the highest recorded temps in the USA were , I think, in 1938 and there has been NO global warming since 1998 - facts that the hacked Hadley Institute sought desperately to hide as shown in their "hide the decline" emails.

    In this case. if in no other, I say, Thank you Hackers!!
     
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    Yes, Thanks you hackers for exposing a lie.
     
  7. BlueZannetti

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    Folks,

    If this thread becomes a political rant-fest, it will be closed. Furthermore, since this is a computer security forum, let's also leave a detailed scientific discussion around the topic of global warming as not germane to the topical content of this forum.

    However, this type of event does underscore many issues around computer security/privacy including the impact of those somewhat overly emotional private missives that we all compose from time to time, and some actually use the poor sense to hit the send button.

    In past times, the lessons to be learned from rude, boorish, or simply stupid behavior could be done in relative obscurity and privacy and not return to haunt one years down the road. That simply seems to be lost these days and it's only getting worse. That's something for anyone writing electronic communication from Facebook to Twitter to blogs to email to comments on any random site to ponder for a moment.

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    I suppose this is not a 'computer security' issue.

    But following up on previous posts:

    I remember winters in the 1970s and 1980s being much colder than in the past decade. Perhaps it's just a subjective impression.
    I also remember scientists being concerned about a new ice age in the 1970s/1980s (?) Global cooling ?

    The climate on this planet has always been changing. Even before modern Man existed.

    The idea that man-made CO2 emissions are causing global warming is at the very least flawed. Methane is much more potent than CO2.
    Lots of things affect the climate, globally and locally. Sun activity, deforestation, ocean currents etc.

    Simply put, scientists DO NOT understand the climate. They can understand aspects of it, but the global climate is just too complicated to be understood.
    And manufacturing evidence to push a political agenda is just despicable. :thumbd:
    The same goes for the oft repeated statement about the 'scientific consensus'.

    The political targets for CO2 reduction are not attainable, and if implemented they will cause an economic catastrophy, especially since China and India (?) will not participate. Nuclear energy would do the trick, but I don't see that happening in the near future.

    Do you still remember the acid rain hoax (1980s ?) ? Supposedly, the trees were dying, losing their leaves. From then till now, the forests have always seemed fine to me.

    And what about the 'Medieval Warm Period' and the 'Little Ice Age' ?

    The fact is, we now have a whole global warming industry. Scientists are people too. There are just some thing you can say that are good for your career, and some things that can destroy your career.

    'The Government' has tried to manage a lot. Keep in mind the attempts to manage the entire economy in the Soviet Union and China. That went well !
    And now, we want all the governments of the world working together to manage the Global Climate ? :blink:

    I applaud those who exposed the deception.

    BlueZannetti, no disrespect is intended, and I hope that this post won't close the thread.
     
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    I thought politics were to be avoided on this forum.
     
  10. BlueZannetti

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    Then you should have more closely read the explicit guidance provided in my post.

    Thread closed.

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