Is it worse to get hit and not detect, or get hit but yet detect later. On one PC, a frigging 64 bit one, I am going with nothing but Hitman Pro for nightly scans and boot scans. Yes you can actually scan more then once a day, if you create a task and add /scan:boot then go into the registry to HKLM and HP and delete the value in Last scan. Hmm, I figured that one out all by myself. I am going to see if going naked, wheeew we, and catching after the fact actually works. I will use KeyScrambler for other reasons. On 2 computers it will be HP on boot and just Sandboxie. I will let the teens have a go at ripping these up. Will let you know how it goes.