Former Opera CEO Launches Vivaldi, A New Browser For Power Users

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    I thought that they still use their own WebKit fork. The beauty of Maxthon was that it didn't need extensions. I really miss Maxthon, but it's gone the way of Opera. :'(
     
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    Vivaldi 4.2.2406.42
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    Vivaldi translates selected text into a selection of languages, more privately.
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    Vivaldi on Desktop Changelog from 4.1 to 4.2
    • [New][Translate] Selected text on web pages (VB-80726)
    • [New][QR][Commands][Keyboard][Gestures] Add an option to create QR codes more easily (VB-82045)
    • [New][Panels] Offer a scrollbar so that more web panels are possible (VB-35633)
    • [New][Search] Add Neeva search engine for American English users (VB-82474)
    • [New][Bookmarks] Create a special favicon for bookmarklets with protocol javascript: (VB-20247)
    • [New][Commands][Keyboard][Gestures] Add command for “Go to Parent Directory” (VB-82462)
    • [New][Commands][Keyboard][Gestures] Add command for “Minimize All” (VB-82478 )
    • [New][Menus] Add menu option to open link in a specific browser window (VB-78071)
    • [Address Bar] Collapses when opening nested popup (VB-80030)
    • [Address bar][QR] Scanning icon is blurry (VB-82442)
    • [Bookmarks] Make all bookmarklet icons look the same (VB-82589)
    • [Bookmarks] Open a bookmark folder opens tabs with separator’s URLs (VB-82038 )
    • [Bookmarks] Wrong sort order on the bookmark bar (VB-82084)
    • [Calendar Beta] Add calendar button in the status bar (VB-57571)
    • [Calendar Beta] CalDAV invalid sync token or out of sync (VB-82591)
    • [Calendar Beta] Changing colors and names for Web Calendars doesn’t work (VB-81872)
    • [Calendar Beta] Comma in the title is escaped with backslash (VB-76073)
    • [Calendar Beta] Import iCal file into CalDAV calendar does not upload events to the server (VB-80968 )
    • [Calendar Beta] Incorrect jumping of days when moving down in month view (VB-65345)
    • [Calendar Beta] Keyboard navigation breaks for the long events (VB-79067)
    • [Calendar Beta] Notification dismisses a currently shown one (VB-82176)
    • [Calendar Beta] Open during onboarding opens a duplicate tab (VB-82248 )
    • [Calendar Beta] Recurring task created with incorrect duration (VB-82032)
    • [Calendar Beta] Setting up CalDAV iCloud account hangs (VB-82615)
    • [Calendar Beta] Wrong color for – and + buttons in Popup editor (VB-82223)
    • [Chains] Periodic Reload only works at 60 seconds (VB-81363)
    • [Chains][Settings] Does not appear in Quick Actions, unless “Bookmarks” is checked in ‘Quick Commands > Search Types and Priority’ (VB-81869)
    • [Chains][Settings] Use Label as Tooltip (VB-81559)
    • [Chromium] Upgraded to 93.0.4577.83
    • [Contacts Beta] Quickly deleting many recipients from composer freezes browser (VB-82385)
    • [Crash] On inserting a note in a form on a Guest Window (VB-82621)
    • [Crash] When opening links from private window popup (VB-82142)
    • [Crash] When wheel-clicking quoted tweets (VB-77203)
    • [Developer Tools] Can not inspect iframe (VB-82239)
    • [Extensions] Clicking extension action buttons in popup fails (VB-82560)
    • [Extensions] browser action popup window confirm does not work (VB-28498 )
    • [Extensions] chrome.extension.getViews({ type: ‘popup’ }) is suppose to return an empty array if the popup window is not open (VB-81714)
    • [Fullscreen] F11 does not work on second screen (VB-64437)
    • [Fullscreen] Statusbar not hidden in fullscreen although disabled in settings (VB-70712)
    • [Fullscreen] Still in Video fullscreen on second screen if focused away (VB-64433)
    • [Fullscreen] Tab bar, the address bar, and status bar not visible if Vivaldi is restarted full screen (VB-76024)
    • [Fullscreen][Panels] Reopening in fullscreen hides / shows the panel (VB-50996)
    • [macOS] Can’t paste URL into the new tab address bar with the mouse (VB-61371)
    • [macOS] Ignore temporary connectivity issues for upgrade notification (VB-82264)
    • [macOS] No menu or settings entry to disable spell checking (VB-22298 )
    • [macOS] “Quit Vivaldi” appears twice in Command Chains (VB-80314)
    • [macOS][Menus] Paste & Match Style command is missing (VB-81223)
    • [Mail Beta] Add option for Mail search using enter key rather than onKeyDown (VB-82160)
    • [Mail Beta] Allow importing from another source without closing the dialog (VB-82426)
    • [Mail Beta] Compose buttons should not be placed beside the history buttons (VB-82341)
    • [Mail Beta] Enabling accounts after import fails (VB-80613)
    • [Mail Beta] Import from M2 with no username makes invalid accounts (VB-82399)
    • [Mail Beta] Needs to be smarter at handling brackets in URLs (VB-48850)
    • [Mail Beta] No mail selected when clicking the folder in mail panel (VB-36349)
    • [Mail Beta] Not reconnecting to IMAP server after hibernation (VB-82395)
    • [Mail Beta] Render colored icons in mail flag menus (VB-82226)
    • [Mail Beta] Reset search when filter text is cleared (VB-82267)
    • [Mail Beta] Saved filters fail to filter from: and to: correctly (VB-82676)
    • [Mail Beta] Saved searches return all messages when there is no match (VB-82678 )
    • [Mail Beta] Scheduled theme causes open mail item to reload, losing scroll position (VB-69313)
    • [Mail Beta] Search for to, cc, bcc does not work when prefetch is turned on (VB-82420)
    • [Mail Beta] Searching for emails fails when no space between from: to: or cc: and email (VB-82677)
    • [Mail Beta] Status bar mail popup list emails are not being marked as read (VB-78551)
    • [Mail Beta] The count of new unread messages shows unread +1 (VB-80782)
    • [Menus] %s in the context menu with certain languages applied (VB-81553)
    • [Menus] Capitalization wrong in the main menu (VB-81712)
    • [Menus] Incorrect shortcut rendering in Menu Settings (VB-81492)
    • [Menus] Menu is visible in fullscreen mode (VB-81692)
    • [Menus] Wrong underlining of numbered menu items (VB-82257)
    • [Notes][Panels] Edit area remembers where expansion ended even when the expansion was over the limit (VB-64703)
    • [Reader] View icon visible on Start Page (VB-71136)
    • [Search] Update DuckDuckGo search favicon (VB-82131)
    • [Settings] Rename ‘home’ to ‘homepage’ under ‘Keyboard > Page’ (VB-81710)
    • [Settings] “Minimize All” does not work on all windows (VB-82486)
    • [Settings][Bookmarks] Default Bookmark Bar cannot be changed (VB-81911)
    • [Speed Dial] Horizontal Speed Dial page transition is broken (VB-82149)
    • [Tabs] Can’t close the tab when “Align Next Close Button” disabled (VB-82222)
    • [Tabs] Incorrect inactive tab background with Accordion Tab Stacking on and Transparent Tab Bar on (VB-81579)
    • [Tabs] Opening and closing tabs slow with many tabs: work in progress (VB-80215)
    • [Tabs] Popup is reloaded when a tab is reloaded (VB-81908 )
    • [Tabs] Popup title is set on all windows (VB-82553)
    • [Tabs] Show popup thumbnail doesn’t update anymore (VB-82036)
    • [Tabs] Tab Stack thumbnail preview doesn’t scroll in vertical Tab Bar (VB-76769)
    • [Tabs] Vertical tabs have a selection width limit (VB-81938 )
    • [Tabs] With changing the title is hard to Drag’n’Drop (VB-81437)
    • [Tabs] “Remove from Tab Stack” unstacks the entire stack instead of just removing an active tab from the stack (VB-82079)
    • [Tabs][Panels][Keyboard] New tab (Ctrl+T) creates two tabs when Windows Panel is visible and Tab Bar is hidden (VB-81887)
    • [Themes] Add Issuna theme for Manjaro (VB-82738 )
    • [Themes] Context menu icons should be rendered white in dark OS theme (VB-82253)
    • [Translate] Batch up more strings before sending for translation by throttling scroll events (VB-82489)
    • [Updates] Profile selection window on startup interferes with auto-update (VB-82027)
    • [User Profiles][Panels] Don’t add default Web Panels to Guest Window (VB-78253)
    • [Windows][Linux] Vertical Tab Bar scrollbar width should follow the setting (VB-82266)
    • [Zoom] Session restored tab fails to update page zoom correctly (VB-82512)

    Vivaldi on Android Changelog 4.1 to 4.2
    • [Full screen] Always hide navigation bar in full screen VAB-4431
    • [Search Engine] Add Neeva search engine to us-en setting VAB-4544
    • [Settings] Show current state of setting in summary VAB-3761
    • [Status bar] Handle status bar visibility changes VAB-4476
    • [Tab stack] Can’t create 2nd tab stack VAB-4379
    • [Tab stack] Reopened tabs not immediately visible in a stack VAB-4395
    • [Translate][Crash] When translating certain websites VB-81187
    • [UI] Tab switcher context menu overlaps tab switcher button VAB-3823
    • Upgraded Chromium to 93.0.4577.83
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    Vivaldi teams up with Neeva for ad-free private search
    We have added new player Neeva as a default search engine option for a totally ad-free search experience, now on both desktop and Android. https://vivaldi.com/blog/news/vivaldi-teams-up-with-neeva-for-ad-free-private-search/
     
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    Vivaldi 4.2 is out with improved text translation functionality
    September 15, 2021
    https://www.ghacks.net/2021/09/15/vivaldi-4-2-is-out-with-improved-text-translation-functionality/
     
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    The new Context-Menu option "Translate Selection" is also buggy. It sometimes detects Foreign text as English and so doesn't translate the text. In that case, you have to manually select the correct language in the "Automatic Detection" in Translate Selection, and it then translates the text.
     
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    I seriously don't understand why they would release buggy stuff. The same with tab stacking, it's annoying that if you close the first or last tab inside a stack, it will close to the tab that's outside of the stack, depending on how you have configured it. They should be on top of these small quirks.

    Yes, just like Opera I don't really trust them anymore. But I think it's a good thing for them that they have switched, it will make them more popular especially in China.
     
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    Maxthon was massively popular in China anyway. It is basically Chinese.

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    It's available on the Mac App Store. I've not run it on Mac though, it was not too good on Ubuntu from what I can remember. Until Bugvaldi fix the CPU spiking on Mac I'll be using Safari and Firefox predominantly. I wish the Bugvaldi dev's would get their collective shite together and fix the bugs in Vivaldi instead of dreaming up more and more new features for every upgrade. Vivaldi is turning into Opera ASA 2.0.
     
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    Vivaldi 4.2.2406.48
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    Minor update for Vivaldi Desktop Browser 4.2
    This update includes fixes for media on Linux, and the Dark Reader extension.
    https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/minor-update-4-2/
     
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    Yes correct, it's Chinese but I'm sure many people were unhappy that it didn't support popular extensions from the Chrome Store. And I'm sorry to hear that Vivaldi still has the CPU spike problem on macOS. On Windows it's still the best browser though, but I wish they could somehow make it use less RAM. But that's a problem with all Chromium based browsers I guess.

    BTW, something I noticed is that strangely enough, when in full screen mode (F11), the main menu and tab-bar won't automatically popup in Vivaldi. Do you know of any browser that offers this feature? I never used the full screen mode that much, so I was actually surprised by this. Actually, I just checked it in Edge and it does work! How could a ''power user'' browser like Vivaldi miss this, ouch!
     
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    You have to realise Maxthon existed even before Firefox. It was created by Jeff (Ming Jie) Chen nineteen years ago in Hong Kong specifically as a WebKit alternative to Internet Explorer. The Trident-engined IE was never that good IMO. Apple used IE very early on but eventually realised they could develop their own browser. I'm pretty convinced the WebKit-engined Konqueror browser (1996) was the ancestor of Safari and Maxthon (and ultimately even Chrome). I've used Konqueror on Linux. Konqueror was considered an improvement on both Netscape Navigator and Internet Explorer by many. I used Maxthon on Windows for years before Chrome even existed. No one in the Maxthon community cared about Chrome extensions. One of the main reasons that Maxthon existed was that it didn't need extensions and was complete in itself (so more secure). It was originally created for the Windows OS and Unix versions are a recent development. I believe K-Meleon was an early Gecko alternative for Windows, although a Unix version never happened. I'm pretty sure MickeySoft even considered bundling Maxthon with Windows at one time. Maxthon was lightning fast and the portable version was exceptional in my experience. I'm pretty sure Unix platforms are not Vivaldi developers main target market. Probably due to lack of resources. They really have become the spiritual heir to their predecessor; Opera ASA. Every release they add a ton of pointless features and never fix the copious amount of persistent bugs.

    I think it works on macOS and Ubuntu.
     
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    I've looked it up, seems like both Firefox and MyIE/Maxthon were launched in 2002. I started using Maxthon in 2003 and switched to Opera back in 2006, because of the lack of powerful extensions. To be fair, even Opera's extensions weren't that advanced, because back then it wasn't based on Chromium yet.

    I guess it's time to make a bug report, or feature request. This really should be a standard feature. I especially use the fullscreen mode on Instagram, it's a bit difficult to see the full picture on 14 inch laptops.
     
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    I think Maxthon was a few months earlier. I forgot about Maxthon's dual core with WebKit and Trident. I have some recollection of a Gecko plug-in as well. I only ever used it in WebKit mode though. What I liked about both Opera and Maxthon was that they didn't need extensions. A lot of extensions are not updated sufficiently and/or become abandonware, notwithstanding security issues. It would be nice to have a browser sufficiently advanced enough in itself to not need third party extensions. This is what I miss most about Mx, although IIRC its adblocker was a tad flakey.


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    The only browser I have that doesn't need anything more than a good adblocker is Safari. It beat Firefox in the Browser Audit test and Chrome/Bugvaldi were beaten by Firefox.

    I guess it's time to find a better browser.
     
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    "There's always room for one more [feature]"


    Quod erat demonstrandum. :rolleyes:
     
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    Well, they actually did need extensions in my view, because the adblocker in Opera and Maxthon wasn't that advanced. But another thing what I did like about them is the limited amount of RAM they were using, probably because they weren't multi-process based.

    Yes Chromium is quite secure, but it's a disaster when it comes to RAM usage. I will make sure that my next laptop and desktop will have at least 16GB RAM, also because Win 10 is way more resource hungry than Win 8, seriously it's so annoying.

    No way, are you kidding me, Vivaldi is still the best browser ever. But I agree, they shouldn't be concentrating on stuff like email and calendar. They should first fix all of the annoyances both on Windows and macOS. But I have to say that tab stacking really is quite cool, I now use it all of the time.
     
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    I disagree that they needed extensions (especially Maxthon), but you're right about Maxthon and Opera's mediocre adblocking capabilities. Chrome has RAM issues but Bugvaldi's seem off the scale. Also, Safari and Firefox are now slightly more secure than Chrome (and Bugvaldi). Firefox has better extensions although Safari is stuck in its walled garden of Appledom. I literally only have one extension on Safari.

    I like Opera ASA 2.0, sorry, I mean Vivaldi. I had high hopes for it. I've been using it for six years. Unfortunately I find I'm using it less and less these days. The heating issue on Unix platforms isn't going to be addressed soon (or ever) and its other bugs are slowly driving me round the bend. Email and calendar were priorities from the start as the whole point of Vivaldi was for von Tetzchner to recreate Opera ASA. Firefox has been my default browser on Ubuntu for seven years. I've never found a browser to replace it. Safari is still my macOS default. I live in hope that one day Vivaldi will be properly usable. But I said that about Opera Presto and it never transpired.

    Statistically (Statcounter GlobalStats) Chrome still dominates the desktop market at 66.94%, with Safari at 9.99%, something called 'Edge' (?) at 8.84%, Firefox at 8.07%. Opera now has 2.46% which is probably 2.45% more than it had with Presto. Remarkably IE accounts for 1.43% of the market (probably people still using XP). The three dozen or so people using Vivaldi aren't enough to make an impression in the stats. There's a simple reason why Chrome is so popular. It's bloody reliable.
     
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    One possible explanation I’ve been given for Vivaldi’s heating/CPU spiking when running YT videos is that Vivaldi uses VP9-encoded videos. As opposed to Safari’s H.264/AVC-encoded videos.

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    I have no idea if this is BS or not. ~ Removed Off Topic Remarks ~
     
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    I remember at that time, websites were becoming more bloated, so I really needed a better ad and tracking blocker. So that's why I had to dump Maxthon, because it didn't support extensions like Adblock Plus and Ghostery.

    I'm not sure if Firefox and Safari are more secure than Chromium based browsers, I highly doubt it. And Vivaldi has been reliable for me so far. But I rather see them making sure that the browser part is picture perfect, before focusing on email and calendar, I mean there are probably third party tools that do a better job anyway.

    I believe that Vivaldi's CEO said they needed at least 5 million users in order to make a profit. In my view, they need to make Vivaldi a more privacy focused browser, similar to Brave, in order to attract more users. And they will need to make a deal with Google, who's paying $500 million a year to Mozilla.
     
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    If you want to reply to me on this topic PM me as I am not going to reply on this thread anymore.
     
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    Could someone who subscribes to the Times go here:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/25/world/europe/germany-election-merkel.html
    I can't get the images to display. First one or two might come in, but all the others are just blank.
    I went to Edge which I'm not familiar with so it's not setup. It showed all pictures, so I collected few links.
    When I tried those links directly in Vivaldi and SeaMonkey, I could see them quite well. I don't understand what's going on.
    Just few image links from the middle of the article
    https://static01.nyt.com/images/202...6-91a99ab87d2f-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp
    https://static01.nyt.com/images/202...7-56c4d9c58136-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp
    https://static01.nyt.com/images/202...5-002dff86b4fc-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp
     
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    Are you saying you can see the images in Vivaldi without the subscription running?

    I can see all images in Vivaldi but don't subscribe to the Times I'm afraid.
     
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    When I allow third party scripts in uBlock, I see all images using Firefox ESR v78.14 . If it's off, I only see the 1st few. I don't have a subscription. Chrome portable Version 93.0.4577.82 without any addons shows all images.
     
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