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Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by Longboard, May 3, 2007.

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  1. Longboard

    Longboard Registered Member

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    Hello Andreas

    I just went to post at your forums : :( :mad: :mad: :mad:
    What a pain
    DId you see a similar thing happened at sysinternals?

    What fecking eejits these people are.

    Anyway; I was wondering whether you were planning an Update/repeat/variation of the "Comparative of various protection tools" ( in all your free time and with all that spare $ )or is there any point.?

    The test at that time was an eye opener for everybody and well structured as always.

    BTW: now BOClean is free is there any reasonable way to test/compare the elusive one?

    Regards

    Edit : heh the autocensor DoOnT reKogNiZe Irish slang :)
     
  2. Inspector Clouseau

    Inspector Clouseau AV Expert

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    Yub, one reason why i didn't extend my weblog server. I had upto 12.000+ Spam Comments per day on a single weblog entry. Not to mention the forum. :rolleyes:

    Closed and will not be opened again. Not wasting my time on such things anymore.
     
  3. IBK

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    this year probably not. and for next year i have no plans in this direction yet.
     
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    Ok, another Q/ request then,
    Any plans of free AVs tests( Avast, antivir, AVG)?
     
  5. IBK

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    no.
    my collegues are planning to make a rootkit test this year, but it will be needed to pay a fee to participate. i have no details yet,as they talked about it just some hours ago.
     
  6. dan_maran

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    This is a good thing. By colleagues you mean your testing institution or another one?
     
  7. IBK

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    i mean the peoples which work at/for av-comparatives
     
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    Very good news, a fee is not unheard of nothing can be done for free forever :)
     
  9. Firecat

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    But a problem with this is that many companies may not want to pay and will just not like to participate. Rootkit detection is still slightly strange for AV vendors and they would rather prefer to not get their products tested just yet.

    However, I realise that money is needed for continuous maintenance and all the time the AV-comparatives people spend on this. Will all future tests also require a fee to participate?
     
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    Edited by Radu?
    You're on Avira?
     
  11. IBK

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    no, not all tests. at least not this year. next year very probably, as av-comparatives wants to start being an own company with own (paid) employes.
     
  12. Firecat

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    No, but maybe someday :p :D

    "Radu" is a very common name in Romania ;)

    @IBK: Did I hear paid employees? This will become interesting. :D
     
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    Is AV-Comparatives.org becoming another AV-Test.org?
    IBK, you deserve the best ;)
     
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    But we all know who Radu you mean exactly , right ? ;)
     
  15. Firecat

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    The name "Radu" has been put there to keep people wondering....
     
  16. Longboard

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    ??

    Regards
     
  17. Firecat

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    Since BOClean does not have an on-demand scanner and its on-access scanner is not of a typical variety, the only real way to test BOClean is to individually execute each sample and see whether BOClean detects the malware running in memory. Applying this process for thousands of files becomes very difficult and boring, which is why testing of BOClean has been non-existent for a few years now.

    At least this is what I think.
     
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    It did have an on-demand feature, but you could only scan one file at a time. Which would still be a pain in the a##. :D
     
  19. Longboard

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    @Namor and Firecat: Yes, Difficult: Hence "the elusive one"

    Here: old test from ,.-
    http://home.arcor.de/scheinsicherheit/boclean.htm
    Good results really and we remember how ,.- persued various issues and Kevin's responses.

    AFAIR PSC used to claim that BOC could if installed on a machine with malware, find the mals and remove after installation of BOClean.

    Maybe put BOClean on a box, shutdown BOC, "infest" and reboot ??
    Or, do same with infesting then install BOC and reboot ??

    I like BOC ( and was paid up licensee/ member of the 'club') and think Kevin has done a remarkable job over the years keeping us informed and dispelling myths etc.. I have ne reason to doubt any of his claims and the way he has responded to the latest change of circumstances has been nothing short of sensational.

    I even feel a little guilty having posted this thread. :doubt:
     
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    Its a matter of pride and i think many AV vendors will want to be tested because it shows that they are proud of their AV and want to publicise/market how well it detects malware.... its also free marketing (for the better AVs) and allows people in forums to comment on results, spreading the word about the AV... take Trend for example... they dont usually take part in AVComparatives tests, so nowone comments regarding them... meaning less popularity
     
  21. JerryM

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    So how do we know BoClean is really effective? o_O
    The fact that someone has used it for years without infection is not much proof. I haven't either, and I have never used BoClean.

    Best,
    Jerry
     
  22. Firecat

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    Well actually Trend has better sales than most other AV vendors out there :D

    So as you can see, vendors have quite a few other methods to spruce up their marketing. Since many anti-rootkit tools are not 100% mature yet, I feel not everyone will want to participate this time, especially when there is a fee.
     
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    Only one way to test BOClean, and that is to execute each sample and see if BOClean catches it running in memory. There is no other known way.
     
  24. Doc Serenity

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    If we were to look at this from a different perspective, all testing done by AV Comparatives would be free from any attempts at influencing test results to favor a specific company. (Please note-I have chosen my words carefully. I rely on AV Comparative's tests and at no time do I think that there is anything improper being done.)
    If there were a reasonably easy way to chare a simple $1.00 or $2.00 yearly subscription/donation from the readers, then nobody could question the results and they would still be able to make some money.
    I know my idea is too simple. But maybe something similar to it would work.
    Hope this helps even if it's just a little.
    Doc
     
  25. Longboard

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    @Doc Serenity
    http://www.av-comparatives.org/index.html?http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/about_us.html

    @IBK: I just noticed ( for the first time :( doh.) that I dont see the full webpage in FF ?? Dont get the bottom few lines and unless my sidebar is closed I dont see the "screen" graphic on the right: what'm I doing wrong?
     
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