FireHole Leak Test passed my fw

Discussion in 'other firewalls' started by blacknight, May 18, 2010.

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  1. Kees1958

    Kees1958 Registered Member

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    Blacknight,

    When this PoC modifies the memory, you should have gotten at least one other warning of D+.

    Could you check whether this might happen

    1. Start of PoC causes "XYZ tries to execute" warning
    2. You choose allow, a rule is created with the original 'loose' D+ setup (ignoring the modify process selection you made afterwards)

    Happy hunting

    Kees
     
  2. blacknight

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    For Kees too ;) . Yes, Brummelchen, Defense+ can: I changed the rule for com-API and now Defense+ alerts me to all actions of FireHole. :)
     
  3. bellgamin

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    Okay, so I will give screenshots of several of OA's numerous alerts.

    OA had "Allow" & "Block" check boxes at the bottom of ALL these alerts. I have omitted those check boxes to save space.

    Of course, I clicked "Allow" at every stage or else OA would have killed Trojdemo.exe from the get-go.

    1-OA alerts about the install:
    ScrHunt01 20-May-10.gif

    NOTE: I unchecked "Run Safer" before allowing this alert to pass. Otherwise, trojdemo would have been emasculated.
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    2-OA alerts that trojdemo wants to create task mgr within system32 file (even a novice should start getting at least a little suspicious)
    ScrHunt02 20-May-10.gif
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    3-OA alerts that trojdemo wants to create telnet within system32 file (I allowed this one, too. Good grief, I gotta quit smoking that stuff!)
    ScrHunt03 20-May-10.gif
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    4-OA alerts that trojdemo wants to create ftp.exe within system32 file (I allowed this, too. After seeing this alert, only a total doofus would still be clueless that something smells VERY fishy.)
    ScrHunt04 20-May-10.gif

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  4. bellgamin

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    continuation of OA's alerts

    5-OA alerts that trojdemo wants to raid everything (*.*) in the MyDocuments file (Sure, go ahead -- Take me, I'm yours!):argh: :p :blink: o_O
    ScrHunt05 20-May-10.gif
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    6-OA alerts that trojdemo wants to connect out
    ScrHunt11 20-May-10.gif
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    7-OA alerts that trojdemo wants to start my Firefox (Okay, why not? When rape is inevitable, relax & enjoy it):cautious: :ouch: :gack:
    ScrHunt12 20-May-10.gif

    NOTE: OA sets a default checkmark in "Terminate this Program". OA is trying sooo hard to save me from myself. Of course I unchecked that box because.... Wheee, go for broke, wot!!!
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    8-OA alerts that trojdemo wants to control Firefox (Take a close look at what OA shows as the "Internal Execution Path" for this alert. NO excuse if someone lets any nasty get this far. OA did its job -- fully!!!):thumb:
    ScrHunt13 20-May-10.gif
     
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  5. act8192

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    bellgamin,
    Your illustrations are fabulous. Wonderful. Thank you for taking your time to document so nicely, as it is very educational, regardless of what system one uses.
     
  6. Dark Star 72

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    bellgamin,
    thanks for that screen shot sequence. That is why although I go off occasionally to play with the latest and greatest :doubt: security apps I always come back to OA. Not perfect, but for me it's very close.
     
  7. act8192

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    Actually, BIG THANKS to EVERYBODY in this thread who documented things so beautifully (... said after reading page1 :) )

    Hey, long live Kerio 2.1.5 !
     
  8. Rmus

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    Thanks, bellgamin, for taking the time to post these screenshots!

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    rich
     
  9. Kees1958

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    Bill,

    Good to see you tried the Bufferzone test. :thumb: I thought this would provide an answer to your questions. :) It is also nice to see how a limited resource company with smart design en team work can compete with a bigger company with heards of code slaves.

    Regards Kees
     
  10. cgeek

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    Indeed excellent and informative presentation Bellgamin!

    +1 :thumb:
     
  11. Jarmo P

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    Just to put something in context.

    I have run for years kerio 2.1.5 or Sygate 5.5.2710 without a router, just my software firewall. I am a guy who does not install much, so I am not so much caring what goes out of my computer. Meaning what leaktests are all about.

    Windows XP firewall is just ok for me if I used that. I use them old firewalls though just for the more interest. They are packet filters only and hassle free software. It is I use my computer for knowledge, communication some porn too once in a while inside Sandboxie, lol.

    The paranoia reading these forums, I hope it does not get all you and keep your smart senses ;)

    It is easy so easy to make a PC work bad with too much security software.

    Jarmo
     
  12. blacknight

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    Too much security software is a thing, multi layered scheme is another. :)
     
  13. bellgamin

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    You might want to consider taking your own comment a bit more seriously. Per your signature, you are using kerio 2.1.5 or Sygate 5.5, Avira Antivir, ProcessGuard, SpywareBlaster, & Sandboxie.

    All I can say is WOW, that's a really big bambucha you got there, Jarmo! :argh: :blink: o_O

    My only real-time security software is OnlineArmor & Prevx. That's all, & it's quite enough.
     
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