FDISR & IFD Test

Discussion in 'FirstDefense-ISR Forum' started by dallen, May 29, 2006.

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  1. Rilla927

    Rilla927 Registered Member

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    That's one thing that I can say, IFD, IFW etc are very reliable programs and I'm glad I have them. Despite my situation with the external, I don't blame IFD etc for not performing because it's not the softwares fault, there is an under lying answer some where that is responsible. We will eventually find it.

    Amen, Dallen! At least I do have the disks if needed until we can get to the bottom of this;)
     
  2. Rilla927

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    Hi Gang!

    just wondering if anyone has tried the new version of FD yet? And how you like it?
     
  3. ErikAlbert

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    New version? AFAIK Version 1.05 build 166 is the latest version and that's the one I have on my computer. No updatings since I bought it.
     
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    I'll wait until Raxco releases the new version available at Leapfrog. No hurry here.
     
  5. Rilla927

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    I caught something a few days ago in this forum about a new version or build something in that order and there was a link to LeapFrog. Don't remember exactly.

    Anyway! How do you like FD? I'm definitely going to purchase this program. I just have to wait to get puter back from Depot.
     
  6. Rilla927

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    Hi Crofttk! How are you!

    I guess it's always good to wait so you can see what happens.
     
  7. crofttk

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    Well, the main reason to wait is that Raxco won't support it until they've tested it out and released it through their own website. Peter2150 made that point in the other thread discussing it and I tend to agree -- at least I haven't lost patience yet.;)
     
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    That's good that they do that. It's really nice to see a vendor that will do that rather than trying to hurry the next version out. From what I can see, their support is excellent.

    It's going to be interesting when I get FD!

    Key word is "yet":D
     
  9. ErikAlbert

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    That version is a digital mutation of the actual build 166. I can't install a lab rat on my computer.
    I only download from Raxco.

    So far so good. It never failed on me in normal circumstances.
    1. The old and known bug, I found is harmless.
    2. Defragging and snapshot activities at the same time can't be trusted, but that sounds normal to me.
    You don't fool around with your harddisk, while a complete partition is copied or updated or archieved or restored or freezed.
    That is asking for trouble and only nutty users will do that.

    It works together with Acronis True Image, which also never failed on me in spite of all the wild stories about ATI.
    The main disadvantage of FDISR (= space-eater) will be history very soon.
    ATI and FDISR are the best decisions I made in 2006, I certainly don't regret the money, because they saved my computer
    several times in MINUTES. Re-installing and re-configuring my computer took me HOURS in the past.
    Separating my system and data partition was also a very good decision for me.

    I still have to figure out, IN WHICH WAY(S), I will use FDISR on my computer, but that's not a problem.
    The main advantage of FDISR are for me :

    1. Speed, convenience, reliability and reassurance.
    2. Refreshing snapshots.
    3. Having at least ONE clean snapshot, I can depend on and that will be my primary snapshot.
    4. Having several versions of my system partition. Something I never had in the past.
    5. Trying new softwares in test snapshots with minimum risks.
    6. Using frozen snapshots.
    7. Although FD-ISR isn't a security software, you can use it as the fastest and completest scanner in the world.

    All that in just ONE single software for $70, where only your own fantasy is the limit.
    You don't meet such softwares every day. :)
     
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    "Digital Mutation" ? LOL. That's a bizzarely derogatory term to use for it when you follow that with several paragraphs of how you use and like its predeccessor. You do realize this new version comes from the true authors of FDISR, don't you ? Of course you do ! You posted them a smiley !

    Raxco will call it Build 169, unless I'm mistaken, in the near future, and be touting the enhanced functionality and improvements of it. I think "evolution" would be a more appropriate term.

    :eek: Look out ! You're gonna make dallen jealous !
     
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  11. Peter2150

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    Hi Erik

    Be sure and understand the significance of the "Primary" snapshot, ie, that one that is there when you install FDISR. I had a long discussion with Jason who just recently left Raxco techsupport. The gist of it is this.

    Say your "Primary" snapshot is your pristine system. But you work daily in another snapshot and that comes to be quite different then the Primary snapshot. Lets call that snapshot "Working". Should you decide to uninstall FDISR and remove all snapshots even though you do it from working what your system will end up being is what the "Primary" snapshot was.

    Should anyone have facts counter to that I'd be interested in knowing.

    Pete
     
  12. ErikAlbert

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    That's because I separate things from one another.

    I can't use a beta version of a software, that is supposed to save my computer and I wouldn't be interested in a beta version of ATI either.
    I like to say the same thing in different ways. Beta is so boring. :D

    On the other hand, I praise the final version in to heaven, but that's not the same version.
    I didn't marry FDISR out of love, it's a marriage of convenience. :)
     
  13. Acadia

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    Really, Peter? I did not know this.

    Acadia
     
  14. ErikAlbert

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    AFAIK you can even delete/remove your primary snapshot, when your secondary snapshot is your active snapshot.
    I can try it for real, if you want me to. ATI will save me anyway.

    EDIT:
    The bottom line is that the primary snapshot is just a snapshot like all your other snapshots.
    You can't remove all of them, because your very last snapshot will be your active snapshot and you can't remove that one.
     
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  15. crofttk

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    Generally, I can't either, it can be too much of a pain in the ass. But "beta version" is a much fairer term than "digital mutation" which implies a certain degree of random and haphazard change. Perhaps it's just semantics/grammar again -- I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it, either way.
     
  16. Peter2150

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    Erik that would be an excellent test. That way we'd know for sure.

    Thanks


    By the way what do you mean beta's are boring. Not if you are testing the right beta's. Try kernel mode software beta's. They can be quite an adventure. Wouldn't do it without FDISR for sure.
     
  17. Longboard

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    I love the way these threads spin off into very useful tips tricks and high level experiences.

    From the first post by dallen about FD and IFD I was thrilled to have all that I wanted in the two apps confirmed.

    Then Rilla came in with a problem.

    Have all you smarty-pants figured out what to do with that problem yet. :D

    Rilla's problem has been a very interesting one so far and afaics remains shrouded in mystery.

    Or have I had another brain flop :shifty:

    Might need to gao back to the beginning and start a new thread for Rilla.

    Lbd.
     
  18. ErikAlbert

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    Deleting a Primary Snapshot is possible just like any other snapshot and that was logical to me.
    I had two snapshots :
    1. Snapshot-01, my original primary snapshot
    2. Snapshot-02, my working snapshot.

    I took a backup with ATI first of course.
    Snapshot-02 was already my active snapshot, so I deleted snapshot-01.
    Then I rebooted in Snapshot-02, my only snapshot, everything was normal.
    I recovered of course my original system partition, I still need my Snapshot-01 because it has my old security setup.

    Why would there be a difference between the primary snapshot and the nine other snapshots?
    The ACTIVE snapshot is the special one, not the primary snapshot.

    Peter you can test this yourself without doing anything.
    1. Boot in a snapshot, that is NOT your primary snapshot.

    2. Click Actions/Remove Snapshot and the remove wizard will start.

    3. Click on Next and FDISR will give you a list of snapshots that can be removed. (FDISR gives you NEVER a list of all snapshots, only the ones that are allowed for a specific function, in this case : remove, but that is also in case of copying or archiving, ... whatever.)

    4. If your primary snapshot is on that list, you can remove it and that's your PROOF.

    5. Close the wizard, if you don't want to go any further.
     
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  19. Acadia

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    Thanks, Erik, for testing this. :cool:

    Acadia
     
  20. ErikAlbert

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    Can you summarize this problem, because I'm not going to translate all these posts of this thread.
     
  21. Peter2150

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    Hi Longboard

    I think Rilla's proble maybe at a deadend. I know on my system I can't get to my external drives from DOS type recovery disks if I run them USB, but I can with Firewire. Fortunately my drives support both. With Just USB drives I'd be out of luck. It would take some changes to my box to rectify.

    Pete
     
  22. ErikAlbert

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    I don't have my external harddisk yet, so I can't test anything.
     
  23. Peter2150

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    Hi Erik

    In response to your test of what I posted. Here is what I've noticed and wondered if it had any impact.

    When I run Perfect Disk and just Analyze from my primary snapshot, I see my boot files, then the rest of them. When I boot to the secondary snapshot and do the same thing with PD I don't see the boot files, I just see the inactive first. Thats what made me wonder if all snapshots are created equal. I wonder how that would look if you removed the primary snapshot, and/or then unisntalled FDISR. I have to assume you are probably right. I might ask Raxco.

    Pete
     
  24. ErikAlbert

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    If your primary snapshot was mentioned as a removable snapshot, it means that FDISR allows you to remove it.
    All lists in each wizard contain only snapshots that are technical possible for a specific function. Any other snapshot doesn't appear in that list. The only thing you can do wrong is choosing a wrong snapshot, but that's a user mistake.
     
  25. Acadia

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    I cannot remember who did this, I used the Wilder's Search feature but was unable to find it. I could swear that some time ago somebody tested this completely, by uninstalling FirstDefense while in another Snapshot other than the Primary. Everything went OK. He then reinstalled FD and everything was fine. I went crazy trying to find this but could not, but I could swear someone did this. o_O

    Acadia
     
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