FD-R: First Look

Discussion in 'FirstDefense-Rescue Forum' started by boonie, Mar 16, 2010.

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  1. boonie

    boonie Registered Member

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    Tried it, and no go.
    I first booted in to each snapshot, and checked how much disk space was set aside for System Restore, 3% for each. I then increased that to 5% on the Original snapshot, and then booted to the Backup snapshot to do the same, only to find it was already at 5%. At this point I figured it would be impossible to set independent restore points for each snapshot, but I thought I'd try any way.
    I created a restore point in the Backup snapshot, called "Backup1". I closed and opened up System Restore again just to double check it.
    I then booted in to the Original snapshot to do the same. I named it "Original1", and double checked that it had been created.
    Before I made any changes, I thought I'd check just once more to see if the restore point in the Backup snapshot was still there.
    I booted in to the Backup snapshot, opened up System Restore, and ...no restore points.
    It had been deleted when I created the "Original1" restore point.
    I stopped testing here.
    So it seems that if you were using the two snapshots to run to different profiles, it would not be possible to have independent restore points for each.
    Good idea though.
     
  2. bitsandbobs

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    Thanks boonie.
     
  3. Acadia

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    Thanks for testing, boonie. Don't know why it would not work since SR should be a file or folder on each isolated Snapshot ... oh well, thanks again.

    Acadia
     
  4. demoneye

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    so odd they took out the "archive snapshot" which is the beautify of FD-ISR :(
    now we need to DOUBLE to space and time consuming when make a full backup job to c:\ drive in order to be able to recover after HD failure .
    so sad :(
     
  5. twl845

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    Better yet, why didn't the keep the FD-ISR configuration and leave the best alone, instead of dreaming up this "rescue disk" BS?
     
  6. Acadia

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    I don't understand legal stuff but Todd has sold the intellectual rights, or something like that, and is no longer allowed to use the original. If I had a family to support I might have done the same thing.

    Acadia
     
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    I understand. It's like a friend has died, losing FD-ISR. :'(
     
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    One last thing that deserves mentioning that hasn't been talked about yet is value or "Price". ISR was so unique and could do so many things it was difficult to say what was fair value to pay.

    However, Rescue is limited and now just another software so you have to ask yourself do i really need it and is it worth 40 bucks just for the light version? Too much IMO for what it offers.
     
  9. boonie

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    Indeed. Something to consider when buying any software.

    However for the reliability of Leapfrog Software, their support, and the functions/features I was looking for, it was worth the price that I just paid for FD-R.
    Very happy with it.
    Everyone needs to decide on their own.
     
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    I totally agree with boonie. That's why I just paid for FD-R
     
  11. Huupi

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    In its new incarnation its no different from others like returnil or shadow defender, these just require a reboot to get back up again and less $$ too.
    Its a sad thing that archive snapshots are not supported.
     
  12. tarsins

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    Actually I think FDR is the opposite of them: you take a snapshot then make changes to your real system. If anything screws-up you can very easily recover.
     
  13. Peter2150

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    Huge difference Huupi. With Returnil, or Shadowdefender you can't keep your system across a reboot, nor install anything that requires a reboot. With FDR you can.
     
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    With Shadow User, You can do it too. I mean keep the change even with a reboot. But FDR may be better because it comes with Pre-boot menu just in case when the reboot comes with a BSOD.
     
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    this way or another , the new FD-R decrease the overall protection of your pc .
    if your hd die no more "ISR" to back and running unless you backup ALL drive c:\ using a third backup software (like drive snapshot , acronis , etc ..) .
    that issue will FORCE you to buy another software to cover this FD-R hole, and spend more bucks$$$ on FD-R :doubt:
     
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    So you're in your real system with the snapshot to the side, and if your real system screws up you boot to the snapshot and copy it to the real system? Is that what you're saying? If that's right, it's like a lite FD-ISR, right? :)
     
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    That is pretty much correct. Both Snapshots are contained on your c:drive, they just don't see each other, one backups the other. You're protected unless you suffer hard drive failure.

    Acadia
     
  18. twl845

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    Acadia, Thanks for the response. I could live with that. :)
     
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    Greetings twl845,

    You are correct.

    Our ISR technologies (present and past) have always filled that niche market of folks that needed the highest level of availability. We work without the need of a low-level sector intercept driver and keep a clean "clone" of your system drive without the need for any rebuild or rolling back of changes when a system goes South.

    Are we the only product you should have on your system? I certainly hope not. Along with FirstDefense-Rescue, I run a BMR solution and another product as a data synchronization solution. It just depends on your needs of protection. We have always tried to complement most backup solutions that currently exist.
     
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  20. twl845

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    Thanks for the heads up. :)
     
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    Please do not shoot the messenger but i am a firm believer that asking the tough questions and making the unpopular comments actually benefit the discussion in the long run. I am not trolling but mearly trying to put things in a simple way for those still alittle unsure of the differences.

    Let's be honest here and not try to sugar coat this - besides your excellent support, ISR achieved it's legendary status here because it could do that and so much more. Infact, ISR's capabilities were basically only limited by your imagination :D
    And because Rescue no longer contains ISR's unlimited flexibility, you just can't say the 2 of them in the same breath. Sorry.
    Example of my ISR setup - 5 point in time snapshots - daily/every 3rd day/weekly/bi-weekly/monthly - stripped down snapshot for gaming - full testing snapshot - stripped down testing snapshot. Multiple point in time backup archives which allowed me to recover without the use of imaging software. And of course, empty snapshots for new OS installs.

    Example of my Rescue setup if i were to purchase - 1 extra snapshot :eek:

    I feel pretty safe saying that there is just no way FD would be worshiped like it is if it had been in the form of Rescue all along.

    One last request - i may have missed it but does anyone know who now owns ISR's rights?? And was it purchased for continued/future development or elimination of competition??

    Thank You
     
  22. wideglide36

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    Hey guys,

    Thanks for all the info on the new FD-R program.

    One quick question. I am currently using the original FD-ISR PRo v.3.2 and was wondering if I could just simply keep using it, as opposed to this new FD-R version.

    It sounds like the new version isn't quite as flexible or as full featured as the original version, so, if you're like me, and using the FD-ISR Pro v. 3.2, what incentive is there to buy this new product?

    I realize the new version will be upgraded at times, and support will be offered, but is that it? I don't get ito_Oo_Oo_O??

    Thanks.
     
  23. boonie

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    No reason you can't keep using FD-ISR if it's working for you.

    I think that's part of the problem is that some people are looking at it as a new version of FD-ISR, when the rights to the old program were sold to another company and it is no longer in development.
    I think a more helpful view would be to see it as a new program that either does the job you want or doesn't.

    Any user would have to decide if it is a better replacement for the recovery program they're currently using, or the best initial program (for them) if they're currently not using any recovery solution.

    My reasons for buying it is that it supports Windows 7 out of the box, active development, support, and it fills my needs on my particular set up. So far, in testing it, it has performed flawlessly.
     
  24. wideglide36

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    boonie,

    Thanks for that helpful reply.

    Did you use the original version of FD-ISR Pro before buying this newer version?

    I guess what I'm trying to say, does this newer version do anything that the old version of FD-ISR Pro, didn't do?

    I mean, if it doesn't, why would you want to spend money on something that isn't as, shall we say, good, as what you're already using.

    That's what I don't get.

    Are a lot of people switching from the original FD-ISR Pro to this newer version, and if so, how do you justify it.

    I'm not trying to say this new FD-R isn't a fine program, just trying to figure out why someone would switch from the original.

    Thanks.
     
  25. boonie

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    Indeed I did. Great program.

    Works with Windows 7 (OOTB).
    Other than that, you'd have to check out the site to view the features of each version (Lite, Workstation/Business, Enterprise). I have a Workstation license.
    As Todd mentioned, there will be new features added in the future. Although this is not a reason to buy now, (because we don't know what they will be), it will be interesting to see what develops.

    If you mean as reliable, efficient, and does what I need it to, than it IS as good.
    It is a different program in my eyes, not better or worse.

    Couldn't tell you, only Leapfrog would have that info, and not even them unless the people used the previous version discount code.
    I've already listed my reasons for buying it.

    Everyone's computing needs are different. For me, this was the answer.

    That's really my point regarding some of the comments.
    FD-ISR was a great program, no doubt, but it is gone.
    No use, point, or upside in lamenting it (I'm not saying you were).
    This is a new program that will either suit your needs or not. Your call.

    If you're really interested, download the 7 day trial. That's what convinced me to purchase a license.
     
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