FCC Caves on Net Neutrality

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  1. RockLobster

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    ~ Removed Off Topic Remarks ~ So, because Google is trying to find ways to demote "unworthy" sites from search results, then we should just go ahead and give ISP's carte Blanche to block "unworthy" sites entirely??
    Then he claims that because the regulations on telecom companies stifled innovation (those regulations which were utterly different and unrelated to anything requiring fair and open communication) then nothing should ever be regulated in any way ever again?
    The trouble is there are enough blindly guillible fools in society that will read such articles and buy into that nonsense.
    The same who refuse to believe we no longer have a free and independent mainstream media because 1996 deregulation allowed corporations to buy and then control all of it, just in time for the turn of the millenium and the implementation of plans for the new world order, of course.

    The bill to kill net neutrality is part of a highly political agenda to apply censorship to the internet, the talk of business is a smokescreen. As long as the ISP's are forced to remain neutral the only way they have of censoring is at the web hosting level which is difficult because web hosting can be anywhere in the world. Control of deregulated ISP on the other hand, would allow them to censor what millions of users can access in one foul swoop and this is what killing net neutrality is really all about.
    They control the publishing houses, the movie industry, the mainstream media, the politicians, the governments but so far the internet has been out of their control and it is the last piece in the censorship puzzle and if they achieve that it will close the door on the last reaches of freedom of information and democracy and leave us with nothing but censorship and propaganda fueled totalitarianism.
     
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    Agreed. I found it interesting as it was a different point of view that I had not seen yet.
     
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    I agree it was interesting. At last someone answer my previous post.
     
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    https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/04/senators-ask-fcc-delay-net-neutrality-vote/
     
  5. RockLobster

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    Net neutrality is necessary to prevent the 1% from dictating what the other 99% can access online.
    When public access to essential services is controlled by private corporations it is a very dangerous thing, especially when they are information services. The large international corporations already control, I believe it is 60% of the worlds economy, they all own stock in each other so no one can be sure who is pulling the strings anymore.
    Without freedom of information there is no democracy, this is why government regulation to ensure that freedom of information remains, is essential. Net neutrality regulations go some way towards that although probably not far enough, but it is better than nothing at this time.
     
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    And you know it will be controlled by the corporations no mater what they say publicly.
     
  7. RockLobster

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    Yes I know, they always seem to have everything sewn up in their favor, but it has to stop somewhere, you cannot let private individuals have so much power over the rest of society. This current set may not intend to abuse it to the extents to which it could be, but that is not the point.
    Once you put in place the infrastructure that allows it, it is just a matter of time before someone(s) does it.
     
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    https://wccftech.com/ftc-net-neutrality-set-up-to-fail/
     
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    It may even be worse than that. Depending on how a rehearing of a Federal Court Case turns out, the FTC might wind up with zero jurisdiction over the major ISP's. If on rehearing the currently issued decision is not reversed, The FTC would be stripped of jurisdiction over any ISP owned by a company that also owns/operates a telecom company. Because of this possibility several power players have asked the FCC to delay it's Net Neutrality rule until after this particular case is decided but FCC Chairman Pai is refusing to do so.

    "Analysis: The FCC’s net neutrality plan may have even bigger ramifications in light of obscure court case...

    The FTC is currently empowered to sue misbehaving companies that mislead or lie to the public. But that power comes with an exception: It doesn't extend to a special class of businesses that are known as "common carriers." This is a group that includes not just telecom companies but also oil and gas pipelines, as well as freight and cruise liners. By order of Congress, the FTC isn't allowed to take enforcement actions against these types of firms.

    Thus far, the so-called "common carrier exemption" has applied to a specific slice of the economy. But the case before the Ninth Circuit, FTC v. AT&T Mobility, could vastly expand the number of companies that qualify for the exemption. In a prior ruling in the suit, a federal judge effectively said that any company that runs a telecom subsidiary is a common carrier in its entirety. Previously, only the subsidiary would have been considered a common carrier — not the larger corporate entity. The case is currently being reheard, and analysts say a decision could come at any time..."

    http://www.sltrib.com/news/business...ramifications-in-light-of-obscure-court-case/
     
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    Very worthy comments by FTC Commissioner Terrell McSweeny, and good for her for sticking her neck out.
    One can only guess at FCC Chairman Ajit Pai's motivation for what he is doing, but even his wikipedia article says he is more of an ally of the media corporations than of his fellow members at the FCC.
     
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    Vint Cerf, Steve Wozniak, and other tech luminaries call net neutrality vote an ‘imminent threat’

     
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    Unless the vote is delayed, today is the day that The FCC will vote to end Net Neutrality by voting on Chairmain Pai's proposed rule ("Restoring Internet Freedom") at Today's FCC Open Meeting.

    A Live Feed of The FCC's Open Commission Meeting is here:

    https://www.fcc.gov/general/live

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?438447-1/fcc-vote-repealing-net-neutrality-rules

    The meeting is scheduled to begin at 10:30 AM.

    There currently are three other matters that The FCC will consider before it gets to Net Neutrality so an exact time for Net Neutrality is only guessable. It is likely that The Commission will move quickly through these three preceeding items.

    Here's a listing for Today's Agenda at the meeting:

    https://www.fcc.gov/news-events/events/2017/12/december-2017-open-commission-meeting

    A copy of a "Fact Sheet" and The Proposed Order can be
    viewed/downloaded in either pdf or text format here (180+ pages):

    https://www.fcc.gov/document/proposal-restore-internet-freedom
     
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    FYI: FCC is NOW discussing and will be voting on Net Neutrality:

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?438447-1/fcc-vote-repealing-net-neutrality-rules&live
     
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    FCC Commission Meeting to vote on Net Neutrality disrupted and room being rapidly cleared cuz of a "Security Threat." All are being told to leave quickly ("Just get your bodies out of here and leave everything else behind.")
     
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    The case against Net Neutrality: An IT pro's perspective
     
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    All Clear - Chairman Pai is delivering his comments.
     
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    The last nail in the coffin for democracy and freedom of speech.
    What this has done is give an extreme amount of power over society to single, unlelected, unnacountable individuals. the CEO's of the internet service providers will now decide what you will and what you will not access online.
    That is ALL this was about. It had nothing to do with business or innovation, which was just a smokescreen to hide the true nature of this insideous attack on freedom of information which Government could not do themselves due to the constraints put upon them by the US Constitution and freedom of speech.
    This is their way of circumventing those constitutional constraints by handing the power to private, unelected entities who can do pretty much whatever they, or whoever is lining their pockets, want.
     
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    Net Neutrality GONE! B******s!
     
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    Yes with promises of protests that probably do no good, I feel sorry for the people who subscribe to netflix.
     
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    Bad news. I hope that EU doesn't follow this path.
     
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    A sad day for all consumers in the USA. :(:(:(
     
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    I knew this would happen. This is a sad day for freedom of speech and freedom of getting information on the internet in the United States. The millionaires and billionaires have gotten their wish...control to do whatever the hell they want to our internet connection. This decision by the FCC must be over turned!

    Just remember this day at the next election cycle.

    Brace yourself for the coming changes to your internet service people of the USA.

    I would say more but I don't want my post censored or deleted like the last time I posted in this thread.

    This sucks!
     
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