FCC Caves on Net Neutrality

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  1. hawki

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    "RIP net neutrality: FCC chair releases plan to deregulate ISPs...

    Today, Pai said that he intends to eliminate the core net neutrality rules while preserving some requirements that ISPs inform consumers about their network management practices.

    'Under my proposal, the federal government will stop micromanaging the Internet,' Pai said in a statement today. "Instead, the FCC would simply require Internet service providers to be transparent about their practices so that consumers can buy the service plan that’s best for them and entrepreneurs and other small businesses can have the technical information they need to innovate.'..."

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...y-fcc-chair-releases-plan-to-deregulate-isps/

    Grrrrrrrrrrrr !!
     
  2. hawki

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    "Pai Circulates Order Unwinding Title II Classification of ISPs...

    Calling it a pre-holiday "news dump,".. [FCC] commissioner Mignon Clyburn, who supported the 2015 order, was not happy.

    'In just two days, many of us will join friends and family in celebrating the spirit of Thanksgiving. But as we learned today, the FCC majority is about to deliver a cornucopia full of rotten fruit, stale grains, and wilted flowers topped off with a plate full of burnt turkey,' she said. 'Their Destroying Internet Freedom Order would dismantle net neutrality as we know it by giving the green light to our nation’s largest broadband providers to engage in anti-consumer practices, including blocking, slowing down traffic, and paid prioritization of online applications and services.'..."

    http://www.multichannel.com/news/co...unwinding-title-ii-classification-isps/416723
     
  3. hawki

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    "New York Attorney General investigating false 'net neutrality' comments to FCC

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - New York State Attorney Eric Schneiderman on Tuesday said he has been investigating for six months who posted significant numbers of fake comments filed with the Federal Communications Commission in its review of net neutrality rules...

    Schneiderman said Tuesday the 'FCC has refused multiple requests for crucial evidence.'..."

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-net-neutrality-comments-to-fcc-idUSKBN1DL2EW
     
  4. Carver

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    It's not over yet, more fake news or in this case fake reporting. Don't lose hope. The vote not till next month from what I read, that is if that is not "Fake" too.
     
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    Right on!
     
  6. RockLobster

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    There is only one purpose behind this and it has nothing to do with how it was originally presented as to allow paying customers higher bandwidth or priority in search results.
    Deregulating ISP's is a direct attack on freedom of speech, freedom of information and a means to implement censorship of both.
    Make no mistake about it, we are in the grip of a very evil global regime right now and they are coming under increasing attack by those who know who they are, what they are and what they are responsible for and they are using the internet as a means to expose them.
    This is what they want to stop and if they can deregulate ISP's they can use their wealth to take control of the internet service providers in the same way they took control of the mainstream media when the 1996 telecommunication bill removed regulations that prevented giant corporations from buying up thousands of independent media companies. Never before has the entire mainstream news and information media been controlled by so few as it is now. We know who they are and why they want such control. It is all over the internet on the alternative news sites.
    They have managed to hold them at bay by using their control of the mainstream news media to brand these people conspiracy nuts etc but they know too many people are starting to realise the truth.
    Deregulating ISP's will give them the power to block and censor all those people and all their websites at the ISP, just as their control of the mainstream media allows them to block information and news on conventional news outlets which they do constantly already.
    (Anyone who doesn't believe that, pm me and I will give you absolute proof of this, many instances of verifiably accurate news stories that would have made shocking headline news 30 years ago, but are censored absolutely today because of who they point the finger at and the only way they ever reach the world is via the internet which up to now they have been unable to control)
    That is what deregulating ISP's is really all about.
    Information control.
     
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    Goodbye Net Neutrality.
    ~ Removed off Topic Political Remarks ~

    This is a sad day indeed. In my case they're turning loose Comcast to do whatever the hell they want to me and my internet connection speed.

    This sucks!
     
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    And they want to allow the blocking of Bittorrent :mad:
    https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/22/16691794/net-neutrality-fcc-ajit-pai-comcast-block-bittorrent

    I know that there are ways to get around this, but it shows a disturbing trend toward censorship and rate hikes.

    There is a Portuguese company that is charging users more than $8 each for different service groups like email, Netflix and Youtube, Twitter and Facebook, etc. Some day we might see a popup when accessing Twitter that we must pay $10 per month just to access it. Thugs!!
     
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    That cnet article is part of the propaganda to distract from what repealing net neutrality really means.
    The article focuses on things they know the average internet user doesn't really care about and does not even mention the word censorship.
    They know damn well no one really cares whether AT&T can prioritise its own content over its competitors or not and they know as long as the average user continues to think those are the issues that net neutrality is about, most will dismiss it as no big deal.

    The truth is very different, repealing net neutrality is about introducing censorship.
    It is about giving total control of what is accessable via the internet to whoever is wealthy enough to take a controlling share of the internet service providers. Exactly the same thing that they did to the mainstream media.

    This means any wealthy enough group with political affiliations can block sites that criticise them.
    If they are anti privacy they can block access to VPN providers and Tor and anything else that helps internet users with privacy.
    If they want to just hurt political opponents without being seen to actually block them they can just restrict their bandwidth to where those sites are unusable.

    Remember they already pwn the mainstream media and a lot of the bigger internet news sites and they are using that control to distract the readers/viewers away from what repealing net neutrality really means.
    Censorship and information control.
    They thought they had that nailed in 1996 when the telecommunications act gave them carte blanch to buy all the mainstream media. They already pwned all the publishing houses so once they had the mainstream media too they thought it was game over for democracy and total control for them, but they had not counted on the internet taking over as the main provider of news and information for the masses.

    Those are the reasons why on DEC 4th, the net neutrality action day, everyone must make themselves heard and make sure everyone you know, understands, supporting net neutrality is about fighting for democracy and freedom of information and opposing censorship and totalitarianism, it is no joke.
     
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    "FCC net neutrality process ‘corrupted’ by fake comments and vanishing consumer complaints, officials say

    As the Federal Communications Commission prepares to dismantle its net neutrality rules for Internet providers, a mounting backlash from agency critics is zeroing in on what they say are thousands of fake or automated comments submitted to the FCC that unfairly skewed the policymaking process.

    Allegations about anomalies in the record are quickly becoming a central component of a campaign by online activists and some government officials to discredit the FCC's plan..."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...p_rhp-top-table-main_fcc-145pm:homepage/story
     
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    @ RockLobster & hawki........Keep fighting the good fight. You are real Americans. Hopefully what you write here will be more then preaching to the choir.
     
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    http://www.wired.co.uk/article/net-neutrality-fcc-reddit-the-donald
     
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    Hopefully they will not lesson to the ISP's and the nay Sayers and the people trying to confuse ordinary people by creating fear by painting a unrealistic picture and vote to keep net neutrality.

    @RockLobster
    Well said, hopefully the media will stop all the negative articles and let a few more realistic articles through.
     
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    Guys, can you give your honest opinion on this? In what way is Net Neutrality bad? (If you can't think of something please don't reply)

    I'm curious cause it seems a little weird that it is all pure and good without issues at all.
     
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    The argument in favor of eliminating Net Neutrality is that slashing regulations and allowing big businesses to maximize profits will lead to new media models and investments in telecom infrastructure that will benefit everyone else.

    = "Trickle-Down Internet"

    There is no solid evidence that Net Neutrality has hindered investment in infrastructure -- if anything, the evidence is to the contrary:

    https://www.freepress.net/blog/2017/05/17/sorry-chairman-pai-your-investment-numbers-dont-add


    On the other hand the social costs of eliminating Net Neutrality are staggering. Without the Net Neutrality rules, big broadband providers like AT&T and Comcast would be free to censor competing web content and extract fees from big players like Google and Amazon in exchange for priority speeds that would put smaller companies at a disadvantage and increase the cost of these services to consumers..


    "FCC Commissioner [Jessica Rosenworcel] Begs Nation to Stop ... Colleagues From Killing Net Neutrality...

    '[Y]our broadband provider could carve internet access into fast and slow lanes, favoring the traffic of online platforms that have made special payments and consigning all others to a bumpy road. Your provider would have the power to choose which voices online to amplify and which to censor.

    The move could affect everything online, including the connections we make and the communities we create.

    This is not the internet experience we know today. Americans should prevent the plan from becoming the law of the land.'..."

    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...on-stop-gop-colleagues-killing-net-neutrality


    "'Worse Than One Could Imagine': Commissioner [Mignon Clyburn] Decries FCC Chair's Attack on Net Neutrality...

    FCC commissioner Mignon Clyburn unveiled a fact sheet (pdf):

    http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db1122/DOC-347935A1.pdf

    As for the specifics, Clyburn notes that Pai's plan:

    'Increases uncertainty for consumers, ensuring that broadband providers could block or throttle at a whim';

    'Empowers a federal agency that has never enforced net neutrality protections (the FTC) to manage consumer complaints and ensures that there is no FCC recourse for wronged consumers or businesses';

    'Prevents states and localities from adopting any related consumer protections—an action that is likely unlawful.'..."

    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...oner-decries-fcc-chairs-attack-net-neutrality
     
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    Not just competing content, ANY content.
    It's bad enough to have huge corporates deciding which news stories will not be shown to the people on the mainstream media, we don't need the bosses at AT&T and Comcast deciding what we can and can't read online too.
    Without freedom of information there is no democracy and vice versa. We need to preserve net neutrality.
     
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    "... FCC chairman accuses Twitter of silencing conservatives

    The head of the Federal Communications Commission is going on the offensive against tech companies in an effort to make his case for repealing net neutrality rules.

    FCC chairman Ajit Pai on Tuesday accused Twitter and other tech companies of being disingenuous by arguing for a free and open internet while they "routinely block or discriminate against content they don't like."

    The remarks came as part of a speech on his recently revealed plan to unravel ... net neutrality protections at a telecom policy event in Washington DC..."

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/28/technology/ajit-pai-tech/index.html

    The Gloves Are Off > Getting ugly now.
     
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    "Over Half of Public Comments to FCC on Net Neutrality Appear Fake

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - More than half of the 21.7 million public comments submitted to the U.S. Federal Communications Commission about net neutrality this year used temporary or duplicate email addresses and appeared to include false or misleading information, the Pew Research Center said on Wednesday...

    Pew found that only 6 percent of submitted comments were unique while the rest had been submitted multiple times, in some cases, hundreds of thousands of times...

    Thousands of identical comments were also submitted in the same second on at least five occasions..."

    https://www.usnews.com/news/technol...ts-to-fcc-on-net-neutrality-appear-fake-study
     
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    I just did a search, mine was received and a Thank you under my name and next to the comment box was another box that said Express and nether box was clickable (If no results appear, your identity most likely was not misused).
     
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    Prepare for the New Paywall Era

    Alexis C. Madrigal, writing for The Atlantic: If the recent numbers are any indication, there is a bloodbath in digital media this year. Publishers big and small are coming up short on advertising revenue, even if they are long on traffic. [...] In a print newspaper or a broadcast television station, the content and the distribution of that content are integrated. The big tech platforms split this marriage, doing the distribution for most digital content through Google searches and the Facebook News Feed. And they've taken most of the money: They've "captured the value" of the content at the distribution level. Media companies have no real alternative, nor do they have competitive advertising products to the targeting and scale that Facebook and Google can offer. Facebook and Google need content, but it's all fungible. The recap of a huge investigative blockbuster is just as valuable to Google News as an investigative blockbuster itself. The former might have taken months and costs tens of thousands of dollars, the latter a few hours and the cost of a young journalist's time. That's led many people to the conclusion that supporting rigorous journalism requires some sort of direct financial relationship between publications and readers. Right now, the preferred method is the paywall. The New York Times has one. The Washington Post has one. The Financial Times has one. The Wall Street Journal has one. The New Yorker has one. Wired just announced they'd be building one. (Editor's note: CNN is building a paywall, too.) Many of these efforts have been successful. Publications have figured out how to create the right kinds of porosity for their sites, allowing enough people in to drive scale, but extracting more revenue per reader than advertising could provide.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...g-unanswered-questions-about-paywalls/547091/
     
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    "NY AG wants net neutrality vote delayed to investigate fake comments submitted to FCC

    New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman (D) on Monday called for the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to hold off on its vote to repeal net neutrality pending an investigation into alleged fake comments in the agency’s public record on the 2015 regulations...

    The prosecutor added that he has contacted the FCC nine times about the investigation before finally receiving an offer of assistance from the agency’s inspector general’s office that morning.

    A group of 27 senators also wrote to Pai on Monday asking that it delay its vote on the rules over concerns about the public comment record..."

    http://thehill.com/policy/technolog...ity-vote-delayed-to-investigate-fake-comments
     
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    Well now, that's a bit of good news. Hope springs eternal.
     
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