Facial recognition is here to stay. And we should all probably accept it

Discussion in 'privacy problems' started by mood, Jun 24, 2018.

  1. mood

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    Facial recognition is here to stay. And we should all probably accept it
    June 24, 2018
    https://qz.com/1312250/facial-recognition-is-here-to-stay-and-we-should-all-probably-accept-it/
     
  2. mirimir

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    Yes, it will be used. It's too useful for too many players.

    You just need to keep in mind that, whenever you leave safe space, you're being observed. And act accordingly.

    That is, we must become intentional actors in our own lives.

    There's this Landmark course, where you train with professional actors and acting coaches. Basically, so you can fake it 'til you make it. But also useful for OPSEC :)
     
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    Given the way things are going I expect it but I'll never accept it.
     
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    That statement reminded me of Zuckerberg's notorious assertion about privacy. I didn't accept that, and I don't accept uncontrolled face recognition.

    Of course, the technology has benefit, the fundamental problem right now for all informations systems is over-reach and a rational lack of trust in corporations and institutions who clearly are not aligned with my interests, and actively do not bear my costs, they shift the risk.

    Sombrero and mirrored sunglasses for me!
     
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    Acceptance is not approval. So what is, I accept. I do not approve of many things, this being one.
     
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    Same here - anyone who believes Zuckerberg after so much sneaky behavior and privacy invasions is beyond me, and yes about hats plus lets make those sunglasses reflective as well. I'm sure places like banks take a dim view (no pun intended) to wearing sunglasses though.

    @zapjb The meaning of a word can depend on context. In this sense "approval" and "accept it" is one and the same.
     
  7. mirimir

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    OK, how about "And so we gotta deal with it"?
     
  8. zapjb

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    I don't see that.
    Accept because it is.
    Don't approve. Attempt to change it, exit from it's reaches or just accept it.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/accept
    ...."accept poor living conditions"....
    Me: I don't approve of this for anyone.
     
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    Face Recognition CEO Says Use of This Tech by Police Is 'Irresponsible and Dangerous'

    Face recognition will be used to harm citizens if given to governments or police, writes Brian Brackeen, CEO of the face recognition and AI startup Kairos, in an op-ed published by TechCrunch today:

    "Facial recognition software is not ready for use by law enforcement..."

    https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/25/f...ware-is-not-ready-for-use-by-law-enforcement/
     
  10. mirimir

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    Hmmm. I'd say "not ready for" is pretty far from "shouldn't be used by" ;) But whatever.
     
  11. Reality

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    No, accept because it is, is only one usage. Look again (emphasis mine)

    Merriam Webster
    Origin and Etymology of accept
    Middle English accepten "to receive graciously, favor, approve of, judge worthy,"

    Synonyms of accept
    approve (of), care (for), countenance, favor, OK (or okay), subscribe (to)
    Antonyms
    decline, deny, disallow, disapprove, negative, refuse, reject, spurn, turn down, veto

    My usage stands.
     
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    "Police used facial-recognition software to identify suspect in newspaper shooting

    When the suspect in the mass shooting at the Capital Gazette in Annapolis was taken into custody Tuesday, he had no identification...

    Police fed the man’s photo into the Maryland Image Repository System (MIRS), which matched it against tens of millions of photos from state driver’s licenses, offender photos and an FBI mug shot database.

    It apparently returned a hit...

    The system uses algorithms to compare a suspect’s distinctive facial features against at least 7 million Maryland driver’s license photos, 3 million state offender images and nearly 25 million FBI mug shots, ...

    'Over 50 percent of all adult Americans are in biometric databases that are accessible for criminal investigations,'..."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...d04c8ac6158_story.html?utm_term=.fcc3c897fffb
     
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    "Want to beat facial recognition? Join the Insane Clown Posse

    Over the weekend, a computer science blogger for WonderHowTo who’s known on Twitter as @tahkion announced his revelation that makeup worn by fans of the hip hop duo Insane Clown Posse (ICP) – collectively known as Juggalos or Juggalettes – makes it very difficult for facial recognition (FR) software to figure out the wearer’s identity.

    Of course, while Juggalo face paint may well fool automated FR, it makes the wearer far more recognizable to just about anyone else – say, humans, Tahkion said..." :)

    https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/20...Feed: nakedsecurity (Naked Security - Sophos)
     
  14. mirimir

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    For me, the main reason to block facial recognition would be for, say, buying a used computer for cash at a swap meet. So wearing flashy makeup or facepaint would attract far too much attention. Maybe if you were robbing a bank or whatever. But in that case, why not just wear a mask, balaclava, bandana, etc?
     
  15. Reality

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    There's nothing good about creepy FR. People, lets get out all manner of hats, reflective glasses, wigs, tools to make false blemishes, whatever. Don't forget to alter your gait as well - OK easier said than done though - especially to keep it up for any length of time. Mmmmm what else?
     
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    It's hard to recognize faces of people with very black skin, under low-light conditions. Or people who have blackened their faces, as we see in the movies. So I can imagine black makeup that's 100% non-reflective across a wide range of wavelengths. But then there's millimeter-wave radar, which can be used to get shape, not just image. And how would one block reflection of that? Maybe whatever they use on stealth airplanes etc.
     
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    Juggalos figured out how to beat facial recognition
    https://theoutline.com/post/5172/ju...akeup-hack-beat-facial-recognition-technology
     
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    I can't imagine that regulation would affect the adversaries that mose of us care about :(
     
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    Same here.
     
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    Why Does Microsoft Want a Government Crackdown on Face Recognition?
    July 14, 2018
    https://slate.com/technology/2018/0...egulation-of-face-recognition-technology.html
     
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    Welcome to the airport of the future, where your face is your passport
    Facial recognition isn't just for the iPhone X -- it's revolutionising airport security and making long queues and passports a thing of the past.
    July 18, 2018

    https://www.cnet.com/news/welcome-to-the-airport-of-the-future-where-your-face-is-your-passport/
     
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    Totally in this same corner, BUT, what is the alternative? The face-profile recognition crap is spreading like a swarm of hungry locusts on a mission.

    What do we do? Start changing hair styles, wearing wigs n masks, fake noses-eyebrows? This crap is too much effort and those dogs know that.

    I hate it myself. Maybe we need a surveillance vigilante army. Just don't know what is a good remedy if any.
     
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