Emsisoft proud of his FP's

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  1. lordraiden

    lordraiden Registered Member

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    https://www.emsisoft.com/en/malware/Adware.Win32.Ares-remove.aspx

    a) Taking that into account any program that uses internet slow down the network and should be consider malware.
    b) This one is a lie, and any program can be bundled with malware/adware, and on the other hand Emsisoft free should be consider Adware, it has popups with publicity

    http://aresgalaxy.sourceforge.net/ Source code of the malware/adware :D


    So there could be 2 reasons for this stupidity, they get paid for this or...
     
  2. dawgg

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    ... or whether it is should be detected or not is subjective.

    I haven't used it Ares, but judging by the screenshots, it does not have an option to opt out of installing bundled adware or sufficient information stating it will install the bundled adware.

    Therefore, I'd also class it as a PUP/adware also.
     
  3. lordraiden

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    Avast also contains opt out adware... or any other program containing the google addbar could be consider adware.

    I know there is no much to discuss around this, but I think this is ridiculous.
     
  4. Taliscicero

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    Ares is well known as a Malware P2P program, more then others. Qbittorrent for example does not add toolbar and popups in its program which Ares does. I would say Ares was "Crapware" if not spyware.

    I would not be mad at the detection as if anything it would deter you from using Ares and maybe you would find a better program. Ares is one of the worst of its kind etc.
     
  5. Fabian Wosar

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    There is a qualitative difference between any program using the internet and a P2P program. The biggest one is that a P2P program by definition is designed to use as much bandwidth as possible to guarantee optimal transfer rates. That is the reason why a lot of anti-malware software considers all P2P application as their own dedicated category of PUPs.

    Just because every software can be bundled with adware means that every software actually is. There are plenty of Ares variations that come bundled with adware. A fact that they themselves address on their homepage.

    You are right, both Emsisoft Emergency Kit and Emsisoft Anti-Malware Free do contain advertisement for the full product. This advertisement though is hardwired into them. It can't be used to track you or compromise your privacy through a server that supplies the advertisements which is usually the case for adware. In fact, no network connections are made at all with the exception of online updates and signature revocation checks. So there is a huge qualitative difference between those two types of in-application advertisement, wouldn't you agree?

    Do you honestly think that's helpful? The bomb-throwing way you present yourself and the false positive here just makes you look like you have a hidden agenda.

    If you want to report a false positive, which we always greatly appreciate, just report it through the official channels. Not to hide anything, after all the false positive report forums are public, but because it is by far the best way to report them. At least if your goal actually is to get them fixed in a timely manner.

    Bottom line is: There do exist several different unofficial Ares installers that come bundled with adware (Ares Gold for example). At least the latest official installers appear to be adware free. I therefore disabled the detection for the stock Ares files. We may still detect the adware bundled variations though.
     
  6. lordraiden

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    Ares does not contain any ad/malware or anything else than ares itself and it's open source http://aresgalaxy.sourceforge.net/

    What you are saying here is totally absurd, the bandwicht use of any P2P application can be configured. Dropbox also uses all the bandwicht possible unless you configure it... as many legit apps.

    There is one (http://aresgalaxy.sourceforge.net/) which is open source and clean and to make it worse you have that link in your website. If you find any other unofficial variation with malware you should tag this one as adware or malware if it has any
    There are also fake versions of AV's and there was fake versions of MSN messenger, why don't you tag the official AV's and Skype as malware.?

    Thanks. And yes probably would have been better to send an FP, sorry for this, it just that I was annoyed me to see a "full website" with false accusations against an open source software.
     
  7. Fabian Wosar

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    Dropbox uses a single connection that can be easily limited by the owner of a network structure. Try the same with P2P, where connections are scattered all over the place and literally hundreds of connections are being used to squeeze the last bit of bandwidth out of your connection. Sorry, try to justify it as much as you want. P2P is a bandwidth killer and there are legitimate reasons to ban them even if you don't touch the whole legal and ethical stigmata associated with them.

    They list many adware bundled versions by name in their FAQ. But there isn't a single statement that makes it abundantly clear that they object to those practices. Compare that to how most other companies or even individuals react if their software is bundled with adware.

    Quite frankly the way they portray the issue currently would suggest they actually tolerate the situation.
     
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