Elon Musk snaps up $3bn Twitter stake

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  1. Daveski17

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    This.
     
  2. monkeylove

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    I guess that's what happens in private businesses: they cater to paying customers, with the rest monetized.

    At the same time, the majority is not necessarily accepted even in what's seen as public squares, like in Mastodon, where mods can remove users easily, with no policies to follow.
     
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    What world are you from? :argh:
     
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    I knew it was coming. That's why I mentioned it above. These games are getting too predictable.
     
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    Slow "progress." Let's see if it really happens or if it's hot air.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/20/tech/elon-musk-twitter-ceo/index.html

    Someone already launched a poll asking if he should take the job. I voted "yes." I wasn't joking though.

    https://twitter.com/SnoopDogg/status/1604656918844256257

    :argh:
     
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    He reported that when he came in he was able to stop a $3-billion loss by cutting down heavily on costs. Several of the costs may have involved bloat, as operations continued even with many employees removed, and several were paid high in exchange for non-essential work.

    Meanwhile, he says he wants to concentrate on software and server teams while leaving the CEO work to someone else. Given the latest news, it looks like he's doing a good job on that, too.

    Thus, it turned out that the platform was falling apart before he came in, and he was able to decreases the losses and improve services but at high costs on his part.
     
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    Is that you Elon?
     
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    Ishdat you?
     
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    BTW, seems like Twitter has finally removed the annoying login popup when scrolling down, I believe Musk actually hired some teenage kid to get rid of it, but he has already quit his job at Twitter LOL.
     
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    Yeah, figures. :rolleyes:

    I've never had a Twitter account, but occasionally the Guardian or BBC News will have links to Twitter. So that's a positive move TBH.
     
  11. monkeylove

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    About

    https://www.wilderssecurity.com/thr...-3bn-twitter-stake.444919/page-6#post-3122206

    More here:

    https://nypost.com/2022/12/21/elon-musk-says-he-saved-twitter-from-3-billion-shortfall/

    Without cuts, the company would have faced a $6.5 billion outflow even with expected $5.2 billion in revenues. This puts to question the media claim that the company was doing fine, and that it would fall apart due to the takeover.

    It looks like its main problems include indiscriminate censorship coupled with 'bots. He was able to solve the first but needs to work on the second.

    There's also a new problem now with leaked user info.
     
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    Occasionally? They've had accounts in Twitter for some time, together with other media outlets. In fact, they were counting on the platform to disseminate their news. The same goes for other platforms.

    The problem in their case is that a recent Gallup poll shows that trust in not only newspaper outlets but even TV news are at all-time lows, around 15 percent. That's why there are now major cuts at WaPo and major viewership declines.

    How will these affect the platforms? It appears that more people are getting their news from each other using the same.
     
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    No, the online Guardian newspaper rarely has that many links to Twitter. It isn't owned by Murdoch. They may have a Twitter account, but I should imagine most of the press do. I'm talking about individual articles occasionally linking to other relevant Twitter accounts usually to underline a specific point. In my experience the BBC is about the same. The Beeb is state funded so news dissemination is a different priority; different to the other tabloids at least. The Guardian is funded by the Scott Trust Limited and likewise does not follow the herd like populist journals. Purportedly Musk hates the Guardian. It's pretty easy to see why as his present grasp on reality seems open to question. Nothing new there then. Vox Populi ... :rolleyes:.

    "Quos Deus Vult Perdere Prius Dementat"

    I suppose this is relative to what country you actually live in. Bizarre ontological distortions of reality are not as commonly reported in the mass media everywhere around the world. I don't live in the US. I live on a different continent entirely. Moreover, more serious journalistic media outlets with at least a shred of integrity, like The Guardian and the BBC, may have their own agendas but if you understand that and their viewpoint it can be considered less tendentious and merely a subjective point of view. I refuse to believe that the BBC deliberately distort and obfuscate reality, or necessarily promote hysterical extreme points of view bordering on conspiracy theorising. Although I will concede that this is open to individual perception and interpretation. Plus, I suppose it all depends how much you accept what a Gallup poll shows. Polls can vary hugely and display a bias depending on the demographics of the people interviewed.
     
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    Reuters, ironically, conducted a global survey and discovered that it's a global issue: less than 50 percent trust rating in 38 markets. Meanwhile, deniers refuse to believe that their favorite media outlets deliberately distort "reality," that there are biases across countries, which means polls are questionable. In that case, perhaps Reuters is wrong. LOL.

    It doesn't matter, though, as more are turning to social media platforms even for news given by the same outlets, and at least in industrialized countries. Those in developing countries have no choice due to poor Internet services.

    About your references to the The Guardian, perhaps you're referring to another paper. The one I'm talking about posts several tweets every hour:

    https://twitter.com/guardian
     
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    I doubt many people in my culture believe or accept that the general perception of the BBC, inter alia, is deliberately distorting reality. It would be essentially disingenuous to claim. I can't comment on your culture or geographical location, as I don't know where in the world you live. My culture has produced literature for at least fifteen hundred years. Long enough, in fact, for the lexicon itself to have changed so considerably that it is virtually a different language and basically unrecognisable for modern readers (try reading Beowulf in its original form!).

    Unfortunately, many who read the redtops unquestionably (and to some extent absorb much subconsciously in them) tend to accept the tendentious views and narratives they give (or subjectively agree with them), presumably as they don't often actually recognise any biases in the narratives they encounter in them, actually agree with them, or don't particularly care. Many read them merely for the sports and/or often salacious sensationalism. I seriously doubt they generally believe in ridiculous conspiracy theories rather than what's reported on the BBC or even generally in the tabloids. I'm guessing that the Guardian doesn't particularly appeal to their taste as it is often popularly perceived as overly intellectual or 'artistic' (it often reviews art cinema, operas, the theatre, dramaturgy, books and literature in general). Interestingly, it also occasionally reports on popular cultural events, including rock and pop concerts and artists. Its perception as a bit highbrow is possibly propogated by others for their own particular and peculiar narratives. Although, I also should imagine that most redtop readers as a whole don't live in bunkers with a huge supply of food and water surrounded by weapons. Convinced the government is either plotting against them or that the press is deliberately 'distorting reality'. Mass hysteria combined with incredulity, widespread fear and uncertainty is most probably culturally and geographically specific. I also seriously doubt that millions prefer social media because they are suspicious of conventional journalism which is purportedly creating an alternate and deliberately distorted reality.

    You deliberately don't read the Guardian if you hold certain views, or merely desire entertainment of a particular sort. You don't read the Murdoch redtops if you hold the opposing views and/or don't prefer to read about sports, sleaze and controversies concerning the Royal Family. I should imagine only the generally or genuinely disinterested naively and unquestionably accept the views of the newspapers they read. Let alone believe in 'distorted realities'. Most literate or relatively educated people fully understand and recognise the biases of the journals they read (even if they don't actually believe or agree with them themselves). Of course some Guardian writers Tweet regularly on the abomination that is now Twitter. Every other journal does. So why shouldn't the Guardian or its journalists? It would not be a cogent statement to suggest otherwise and it is essentially irrelevant whether they post in Twitter, or not. They have been publishing for at least two hundred and one years, in whatever form or medium that is apposite and chronologically relevant.

    I edited the above post for errant grammar.
     
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    @Daveski17 As a Guardian reader for many years I have to say I enjoyed your post.
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    The Reuters study shows that trust in media is declining even in countries with high literacy rates and a long history of leeh-teh-rah-teur. That puts to question claims that it's due to stupidity, mass hysteria, or lack of interest. In addition, viewership and readership have been dropping, too, but only when Internet services are sufficient.

    That's why more are taking to online

    https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/guardian-abc-print-circulation-private/

    and social media, and the reason has less to do with hysterical claims about conspiracy theories. Rather, it has to do with the reality that traditional media is filtered by corporate sponsorship and collusion with the state. The idea of a fourth estate thus works both ways: the media can frame political issues but is itself framed by economic ones.

    Thus, not just "some Guardian writers" but The Guardian itself posts several times hourly on Twitter:

    https://twitter.com/guardian

    And so does the BBC:

    https://twitter.com/BBCWorld

    and in several cases using several Twitter accounts, with more revenues for the former derived from digital ads.
     
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    Thus, not just "some Guardian writers" but The Guardian itself posts several times hourly on Twitter:


    'The Guardian' is a newspaper. It comprises of journalists who write for it. It is isn't some amorphous entity that exists outside of time and space. Which is quite frankly absurd. Admittedly those journalists (or contributors) may be perceived to have very broadly similar views on many things. Although it is worth pointing out that they could have very different social backgrounds and individual belief systems. I don't wish to go into this further as the discussion of politics contravenes TOS at Wilders (and quite rightly).

    Your point (if indeed you have a clearly realised one) is now becoming tautological, beleaguered, overstated, and quite frankly incoherent. And even when it strains to achieve definition it is still most probably culturally specific to overall paradigmatic subjectivity. There are many other cultural viewpoints than your own particular specific culture and place of origin. I can only presume you are continuing this 'debate' for the sake of arguing.

    So I will bid you adieu and a Happy New Year/Blwyddyn Newydd Dda as they say in Cymru, (depending what you celebrate and what's culturally relevant to you of course).
     
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    @Daveski17 Good post above. I read all sources Guarding, BBS, redtops and more, even tabloids. There is always something to learn, gain in reading a wide girth if sources; which includes social media. Often times research is needed before I decide.
     
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    Thanks. Yes, "knowledge is power" as I believe Francis Bacon once said. Although it's a while since I've read any Bacon, and I still don't believe he wrote any of Shakespeare's plays lol. I think as long as you recognise biases in any text or narrative there's nothing wrong in reading anything and everything. I include social media although I personally don't use it. That's predominantly because of internet security however. I know tracking cookies are supposedly harmless but I tend to avoid collecting too many of them.
     
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    Amorphous entity? The newspaper Twitter link is given at the end of the front page of their website,

    https://www.theguardian.com/

    together with others:

    https://twitter.com/guardian

    https://www.facebook.com/theguardian

    https://www.instagram.com/guardian

    https://www.linkedin.com/company/theguardian
     
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    As I've said, quite politely, I thought. You are not going to drag me into a confrontational argument because you want a flame war. Your arguments are tedious, repetitive and pointlessly banal. Welcome to my ignore list. Have a nice day. Happy New Year.
     
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    Oh yeah, I spelled 'propagated' incorrectly in post #140. Sorry, I lamely blame the spell checker auto-check lol. Although it may be worth pointing out that I've actually had brain damage (stroke).
     
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