In reply to your post and to some others regarding garbage. I don't know who "in the industry" considered AV-C tests to be reliable, I know that Dr.Web people have always addressed questions to AV-C. The discussion used to be sharp - but basically in the methodology field. Last year Dr.Web was at the bottom of the AV-C and that was the reason they started to look into the collection. No issue, Dr.Web was bad enough to be the last in the tests missing several tens of thousands of samples (caught by others at up to 98-99% rate). But the point is here: when you miss some 50K of files called "malware" you have a homework for a couple of hours - pass them all to a robot and it will add them to your base and you will be very good-looking at AV-C. However, this is possible when you are 100% sure that all those thousands of files ARE REAL malware. Otherwise, you have to explore each sample "manually" which makes your task a little bit harder. But still, this can be done if you are 100% sure that this manual work will make your product not just good-looking in the AV-C test, but stronger and safer for your users. Unfortunately, that was not the case. Dr.Web's virlab started exploring the first portion of files that were subm,itted by AV-C (i think, file infectors) - item by item. And found 10% of confirmed garbage. But the best players in the AV-C scored more than 98% at file infectors! Which means that some garbage happenned to be detected as malware! Which means that they just added those files automatically (from previous tests), though in their daily work they would never do that. Probably, you can now understand the reason for not taking part in the AV-C. The garbage issue was discussed in Bilbao, where AV companies gathered to address the testing quality problem. Doctor Web will certainly follow the discussion. I think, it is simple. When you conduct a wine contest - you make sure that all liquids that are submitted to the contest are wines. This is the first and basic condition. The same rule should be applied to Av tests. Otherwise it is not fair - you claim all files that are scored as "missed" are malware and should be detected, but in fact they are not. P.S. doctor web is really a small company, with 120 people working there.