Do you actually need to use Linux?

Discussion in 'all things UNIX' started by mood, Feb 27, 2019.

  1. Daveski17

    Daveski17 Registered Member

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    Plus, it's a big elephant. Not running an AV is one of the greatest attractions of Linux for me. AV's have only ever found false-positives and harmless system drivers on any computer running Windows I've owned.
     
  2. roger_m

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    If you aren't constantly installing and uninstalling apps and otherwise messing with your system, then it should stay running fast for years, just as you have experienced. Upgrading to new builds of Windows 10 won't slow down your computer.
     
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    @Brian K @roger_m

    I saw so many issues due to updating to a new build, not saying the time required to do it, and the leftover junk left, i personally prefer clean installing, was always faster and cleaner on my end.
    I don't install many softwares, most are portable so it save time.
     
  4. roger_m

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    I haven't seen any performance issues after upgrading. This was the case, even on a system that has literally hundreds of apps installed and has seen many more installed and uninstalled over the last few years. Sometimes on that system, new builds fail to install. But once the issues preventing the upgrade were fixed and the upgrade was done, it did not run slower than before.
     
  5. rodneym

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    IF Linux had the user base of Microsoft, they would be attacked, and people would discover weaknesses.
     
  6. Brian K

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    I've never had issues.

    In my case an upgrade is much faster than a reinstall.

    I often find I have more free space available after an upgrade than before.

    Out of interest, do you use Registry Cleaners, file cleaners or disable Windows services? There seems to be a correlation with upgrade issues and "improving" Windows.
     
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    I do, especially to remove the Cumulative and other updates files but it shouldn't have such repercussions...if you have to keep original settings/bloat to have a working OS , that is wrong in my opinion.
    I did the upgrade via Windows Update once for the first build update of Win10, took so long and i end up with misbehaving start menu and increased space disk usage even after deleting windows.old so i had to clean install, then i never looked back. Maybe i was unlucky that time, but when i see here people struggling with those upgrades, i'm happy to clean install every time.

    side note: I like my backup images to be as light as possible, by clean installing and maintaining, my system's partition barely goes above 30-35gb.

    That is what we shouldn't have, Average Joe shouldn't have to fix anything.

    weaknesses are discovered on Linux, no OS is perfect, but the amount is way far less than with Windows because Linux was build with security in mind unlike Windows.
    Maybe in 5-10 years we will have a safer Windows "out-of-the-box", if all the useless LOLbins, meterpreters, services, the archaic registry base and and co. will be removed.
    In fact, for home users, Windows should be rebuild from scratch instead of adding half-baked security features. MS has the resources and talents to do that, would take time but not impossible.
     
  8. roger_m

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    While I agree with you on that, I have to add the on my other systems which haven't seen such abuse, new builds always install with no issues.
     
  9. Brian K

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    I certainly agree with light backup images. After six and a half years my OS backup image is 20.6 GB.
     
  10. shmu26

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    For sure. It also helps greatly for those in need of speed.
     
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    That is advantage of Gnu/Linux or at least some distributions. Debian upgrade tools allow to easily remove previous versions of packages system is built on and this does not decrease stability. Windows users should not debloat, just accept bloating of OS or use workaround such as backups to address this problem.
    I can also tinker with configuration of system services, disable unneeded system services and everything works fine. On Windows unless I use defaults in case of problems with future updates I am guilty of breaking operating system.
     
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  12. Daveski17

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    TBH I found Panda very light when I ran Windows. It had negligible impact on my system. It could still potentially bork it though. I was lucky in that my PC was off when the great Panda bork happened a while ago.
     
  13. Beyonder

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    Windows Defender + MalwareBytes Anti-Exploit is what I'm running, and the computer is as fast as the day I bought it.
     
  14. Joxx

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    If the intention is no performance impact (including disk read/write) Sandboxie and/or Comodo firewall; no need for resident AVs.
     
  15. Gringo95

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    So you pay big bucks for an operating system that bombards you with advertising from the minute you switch it on and treats your privacy with contempt requiring the install third party software or a registry hack to shut it up. Certainly demonstrates the power of Microsoft and how easy it is to manipulate people if you throw enough money into your marketing budget. This though is good news for us Linux users because it ensures the “if” you refer to will never happen. Even if it did the build structure of Linux compared with Windows would render some of the more popular attack methods unviable although users would still remain their own worst enemy.

    It also amazes me after so many years in the industry how Windows users can install an antivirus and believe they are ‘safe’. Not only does this not exist you further erode the privacy you’ve just spent ages protecting yourself from Microsoft courtesy of your new AV. Enter ‘eset’ into here for example and you’ll see what I mean.

    https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/

    In fact the whole Windows security industry is a mixture of manipulated ‘tests’, fake claims and false promises no matter which side you choose to believe.

    https://www.securityweek.com/testing-firm-nss-labs-declares-war-antivirus-industry

    Average home users can install any one of the most popular Linux distros in less than 20 minutes on a decent machine, have nothing else to do or install and perform their normal daily tasks in complete safety. Naturally some might want additional software or to customize the look of their system but at least this choice exists and is all possible for free
     
  16. Azure Phoenix

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    Curious for the "bombards you with advertisement". I hardly notice any in Windows 10
     
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    clean install > open start menu = lot of advertised apps , which you can't use unless you install or pay for them, every time you clean install/upgrade the OS, you have to waste 10mn to remove them.
     
  18. Krusty

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    I recently checked the price of an upgrade to Pro = AU$339.00 incl. GST

    Can't see myself paying that, especially x3 machines.
     
  19. Azure Phoenix

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    Even so, I personally don't view that as being "bombarded with ads". But that just me.
     
  20. Joxx

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    There are plenty of cheap, legit, offers out there.
    Whoever pays more than €20 for a win 10 key needs to have his web driving license revoked.
     
  21. Krusty

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    Do show me a link in AU$ for that price and I'll pay right now.
     
  22. guest

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    Those are OEM volume keys, not supposed to be sold. Go pay 20$ and pray it won't be revoked...when you can use Win10 Enterprise for free legally if you do some little googling...
     
  23. Joxx

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    As I said, plenty of options out there :)
     
  24. Gringo95

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    So presumably if you're a Firefox or Chrome user you don't mind Edge opening with 'suggestions' at every boot either?
     
  25. Azure Phoenix

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    > at every boot
    As far as I remember it doesn’t do that.

    And no, I don’t mind. The Edge suggestion on the bottom screen is small and non-intrusive. In addition I actually like Edge. I find it to be a good browser.
     
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