Diskeeper® 12 Released

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by Triple Helix, Jun 8, 2012.

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  1. AlexKlein

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    My reply regarding pricing and our technology was directed towards ellison64.

    In response to recent comments, the best advice I can give is to download Diskeeper trialware and compare for yourself.

    Alex
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  2. Zyrtec

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    Sorry but, apparently none of us liked your arrogant response to "ellison64" and that's why some of us weighed in.


    Carlos
     
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    "Compare for yourself" isn't a very good reply either. Raxco does those comparisons for me usually. That's one of the reasons why I'm a happy Raxco's customer atm.
     
  4. Keatah

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    Why don't we all buy SSD's and call it a day. No messing with utilities and defragging and stuff like that.
     
  5. ellison64

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    To be clear,i didnt find your earlier reply offensive in any way ,and it was partially expected.I wouldnt want you to get into my product is better than yours war with other software devs.However "the get what you pay for" comment could be counter productive as on the face of it ,you are getting more for what you pay for with the competition in the way of features /pricing than with DK.I really hope that DK does well (and im sure it will in the commercial sector) but as for the home market ,all i can wish you is good luck.
     
  6. ellison64

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    Too expensive to warrant any change for me at present ,and I personally have issues (from what ive read)with their lifespan.When they first came out , i expected a holy grail,with a drive that wouldnt wear out (the no moving parts)sales plug .but i must say the old saying if it sounds to good to be true it probably is ,springs to mind ...for me anyway :doubt:
     
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    The fragmentation is synthetically generated, not captured from real world usage nor is there any reference to what the levels fragmentation generated are supposed to compare to in real world usage.
     
  8. Keatah

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    Hopefully by 2015 the SSD's will be mature and ready for the market. The trend of decreasing lifespan (while increasing spare overprovisioning) is a troublesome direction the market is heading in.

    Some mfg. make drives with nearly 50% overprovision AND a NAND life of 2800 - 3000 P/E cycles. That's just plain ridiculous. It would seem with lifespans this short the very task of using them for boot drives comes into question; the very task that they excel at! The race for density/capacity is happening at cost of durability.

    Today the industry continues to hype the "no moving parts" spiel with added emphasis on speed instead of mechanical longevity. I can almost see the SSD as being a disposable item in laptops, much like the battery.
     
  9. Noob

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    Why the hatred towards DK guys. :D
     
  10. Keatah

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    *I* personally *believe* it stems from a big company selling expensive things which provide dubious gains to the little guy. Not only that, but it would seem that recent releases are based around eye-candy and things of that nature.

    Today's high density disks, and big caches - a lot of the latencies become buried in the system. The difference between a fragged and defragged disk, today, is a lot smaller than the old'en days of 80486 (and lesser) machines.

    And if you are going to optimize a Spinner, you should do it correctly in the first place. This means:

    1- Moving little used data out of the way and towards the spindle, where access time is long and transfer rates are slow. This pertains to music and graphics and personal files that are just loaded one time, sporadically. And other like-minded files.

    2- The operating system stuff needs to go on outer edges of the platter along with some of your most oft used applications, for faster load times.

    3- Data should be sequential and "close-by" other like-minded data. For rapid loading and minimal head movements.

    4- NTFS $metafiles, especially the $MFT and Directories should all be in close proximity to each other. There is a lot of interaction between the o/s and $metafiles.

    If you really want a 10-20% improvement then you need to go through all those gymnastics, perhaps more. And then you might get it, but only in some circumstances. The goal of defragging is to reduce the amount of head movements involved in retrieving a file. The less the better. And like I said earlier, the system caches and buffers tend to bury a lot of these delays.

    Don't bother looking for massive gains unless you've got a system that has a 5-year-old install going and have done numerous updates and uninstalls and reinstalls of many applications.

    SSD's eliminate this busy-body activity, and introduce some complications of their own. But the situation is improving and perhaps by 2015 the low write/erase endurance problem will be contained better. Same thing goes for TRIM and GC. This is already improving as we speak!
     
  11. ellison64

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    I cant answer for others but personally i dont hate them.The price/features issue is what i cant get around ,but that is their perogative.Im probably going to sound crazy but I dont even care about how good a defragger it is ,as in my experience over the years on different OS a defragger has never been an essential ,but more of a compulsive duty to keep things "neat and tidy".Actual real life performance gains ,have never been a big issue for me because ive never had the type of speed increases that you would get from sticking a few more gigs of ram in or getting the top processor instead.Im a software junkie and probably need help...but i know im not alone here :doubt:
     
  12. Keatah

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    Many OCD'ers defrag daily and run registry cleaners and optimizers at the end of every session. I would suggest a more laid back schedule if you're a home user. Perhaps a defrag every 6 months with a gentle registry and system clean. Deleting temp files and unused software is great for keeping a system nice and tidy. It's nice to have a suite of comprehensive utilities installed and ready to roll. Just don't go dick'n with them everyday! And don't go installing 5 or 6 optimizers thinking one will improve upon the other. There's no need for duplication here.

    In my experience it is best to tear into the infrastructure of a machine and replace hardware if you want performance improvements. Typically this means a new CPU. A new CPU usually needs new memory to run at the faster speed. And this faster speed needs a new motherboard to support higher bus speeds and new sockets. Now you come to the graphics card, if you're into graphics cards. A new one is needed for the new style of expansion slot.

    Sometimes that means a new case to hold everything. And a new mobo means new drive interfaces, so you get new drives to support them and the higher speeds of the rest of the parts. And finally you need a bigger power supply to make everything run smoothly. By now, almost everything has been replaced. except for the ratty keyboard and greasy mouse. Might as well do that. And when you think you got it all, you discover you can run in high-resolutions. Well well well.. Better get a new monitor too! Ohhh yeah! Check out the cool games! These 2watt RadioShack specials aren't cutting it. Time for speakers too. Quite the snowball effect, eh?

    Just remember:
    New hardware = more speed
    New software = more functionality
    New peripherals = more functionality
     
  13. Brian K

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    Alex,

    Not in our experience. Forget the benchmarks and see how subjectively different a computer behaves after a defrag. No different at all. We did single blind tests on computers and the owners had no idea whether a defrag had been performed or not.
     
  14. woomera

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    i dont get it, why would anyone pay for this software? except if you have a real active data drive.
    dont see the point for normal home users
     
  15. Keatah

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    For family and friends and neighbors and their neighbors, my regular basic maintenance package I offer means just checking the built in tools 1x or 2x a year. That and a good flushing of unused software and temp files. Never ever EVER had a complaint or problem. I've never recommended a payware system utility of any kind. Makes me look like an I.T. EXTRAORDINAIRE!

    These are real world people that get real work done. Some are multi-millionaires and are quite satisfied with the level of performance achieved. One chick has a hex-a-core i7 32GB and 2TB RAID - and she uses notepad and ie explorer exclusively..

    For the performance oriented gamer and compulsive benchmarker I point them toward the internet and let them have at it. To these people I will recommend whatever seems to catch their interest.
     
  16. Triple Helix

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    I finally got the change log as this Build came out the first week of July!

    These are the changes in build 1016.

    1. New DK_Net to handle a compatibly problem with security software product (Bit Defender).
    2. Fixed a problem with Disk Health not available after activation expiration.
    3. Change to Disk Health to only query fixed disks and not USB connected disks.
    4. Disable Save and Print buttons were enabled during defragmentation.
    5. Displayed “Licensed to…” for non-activating licenses.
    6. Fixed the installation which was causing telemetry driver to not load.

    TH
     
  17. Triple Helix

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    I just checked a found that there is another update to Build 1017 I will get the change log ASAP! :blink:

    TH
     
  18. happyyarou666

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    wonder how it fares against Auslogics Disk Defrag , heard PD not being what it used to be as of its latest version and DK looks like the same ol just with a new paintjob a grotesque one i may add , microsoft and your metro UI go to hell
     
  19. Triple Helix

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    Change Log for Build 1017:

    - contains several minor bug fixes.

    TH
     
  20. superssjdan

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    Superb defragger.Lightyears ahead of the competition.Have been using it since the very beginning on every single pc i have owned.Take a look at iolo's system mechanic 11 and read it's description.Some of it's "new features" Diskeeper had some time ago.Condusiv,Diskeeper has always been an innovator in this arena.Some may bark at spending that kind of money on a defragger,but it's the very first thing i renew each and every year and it's more than worth the money.Kudos to the team at Condusiv for another job very well done:thumb:
     
  21. AlexKlein

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    Hi Nick,

    I spoke to one of our software engineers about this recently - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHsH3Tkh9ow

    -Alex
    Condusiv Technologies (Formerly Diskeeper Corporation)
     
  22. GrammatonCleric

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    I just hope that folks don't defrag their SSD's or they might really shorten their lives.

    Windows 7 comes with a very efficient native and FREE defragr that runs silently in the background.
    I honestly though that a standalone deffraging utilities has gone the way of 3.5" floppies.
     
  23. Triple Helix

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    Diskeeper recognizes SSD's and will not Defrag them but has Hyperfast to keep the free space optimized!

    TH

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  24. AlexKlein

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    I thought Nick Rhodes, Triple Helix and the rest of you would be interested in some major 3rd party testing that was recently done on Diskeeper 12 for servers and workstations.

    This report not only proves that file fragmentation prevention dramatically improves performance, but shows how Diskeeper 12 makes your systems run faster than the day you bought them!

    The press release/link to report is here - http://www.condusiv.com/press/releases/releases.aspx?F=2012101501.htm

    I challenge any of you to try Diskeeper 12 for a week and prove me wrong. For any of you in IT consulting, put Diskeeper trialware on servers and workstations for a week at the businesses you manage and just wait for the comments from executives and other staff. The performance gains - especially on the server with regarding to I/O throughput - is substantial. Try it for a week, you have nothing to lose - prove it to yourself.

    -Alex
     
  25. Triple Helix

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    I have to agree as this new snapshot you can see the savings since my last post using Diskeeper 2012 on SSD's!

    TH

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