defragmenter what is the best?

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by cooperb21, May 20, 2015.

  1. ArchiveX

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    On Oct. 1, 2015 MyDefrag will officially be an abandon-ware.
    Till then, let's wait...:isay:
     
  2. Rolo42

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    Already linked that. It's not like it's going to stop working 01 Oct. :cautious:

    When NTFS fundamentally changes, we may then have issues.
     
  3. Scott W

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    Indeed, that is impressive. Too bad Program Accelerator is only available within (the bloated) System Mechanic. o_O
     
  4. Scott W

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    I have to disagree with that. It's been my experience that defragging HDDs can improve overall performance. I'm sure that the extent of that improvement depends on the Windows version as well as the nature of one's use and how often changes occur. As a heavy user I find that a full boot-time defrag (with Puran) once every month results in reduced system startup and file loading (open) times!
     
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    Hey Scott:

    I also use Puran Defrag, although somewhat less frequently than you, and my observations re performance improvement are consistent with yours. :thumb:

    Cruise
     
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    As described here I also use Puran Defrag and I totally share your enthusiasm.
     
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  7. Rolo42

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    Is PIOZR just a "place recently accessed files first" dealie? I can't find anything that explains what it does.
     
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    From their web page...

    "PIOZR is a revolutionary technology which makes your computer faster than ever before. It works on the simple principle that "Things most needed should be placed at the most accessible places in order." This principle applies to your PC's hard disk as well; The outer edge is the fastest, and as we go inside reading and writing speed slows. PIOZR places frequently used files in order at faster disk areas, boosting the overall system speed."

    Sounds like what everyone else is doing or trying to do...
     
  9. Rolo42

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    I read the brochure, which doesn't tell me how it works; what are "things most needed"?
     
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    its most freq used items placed first with piozr. also its not meant to be used with every defrag unless you run it only ever couple months.
     
  11. taotoo

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    Maybe the contents of the Prefetch folder?
     
  12. Scott W

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    Rolo,

    How PIOZR works is proprietary to Puran (and undisclosed). However, my own tests indicate that it moves Windows Fetch/SuperFetch folder to the outer edge of the platter. Since Windows uses this folder's contents to preload data needed by frequently used apps it stands to reason that faster access of those contents will improve performance even more so.

    I doubt that this idea is unique to Puran. What I find rather unique to Puran is their comprehensive boot-time defrag (including the options to use PIOZR and Fill Gaps). I also like that it offers to check/repair the disk immediately before the boot-time defrag runs (it could be very destructive if a defrag was to run when disk errors existed)!

    Scott
     
  13. safeguy

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    Let's just say I made the mistake of not using the best choice of word.

    As for separating system and data, I do that for 2 reasons:

    1) Easier backup
    2) To reduce the effect of fragmentation on the system itself regardless of how fragmented my data may be
     
  14. safeguy

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    Same here.
     
  15. Cruise

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    Makes good sense to me. ;)
     
  16. Rolo42

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    Every disk defragmenter does that, including Windows defrag...kinda why Microsoft made it.

    Which does what exactly?
    Filling gaps generally slows performance if the drive is routinely optimized, Microsoft and many other tests show. Think about it: your un-ordering your files you've optimized making that exe seek in various places for the dll and data files.

    Easier backup, sure; however, you'll exacerbate fragmentation because of why NTFS gets fragmented in the first place: writes to the nearest empty location wherever the head is at the time. What happens is that you've performed an I/O on your data partition which is after your OS/programs partition and next in the queue is a write operation on your OS/programs partition and that will take place at the very end of the partition. This is a disaster if you're installing software from a different partition on the same disk.
    Arguably, data on a separate drive would give a little better performance with the ease of making backups/images/impromptu OS installs.
     
  17. TairikuOkami

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    Is not Puran abandonware as well? Lastly updated in 2013. :doubt:

    No one knows Wise Defrag, probably because it is not a standalone app, it looks pretty well and does a good job optimizing, as far as I can tell. :isay:
     
  18. safeguy

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    Agreed there. Most of my data (including program installers) are on an external drive. ;)
     
  19. Scott W

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    No, Puran is alive and well. The dev just hasn't had cause to update v7.7 (so far); Win10 will probably 'wake him up'! ;)
     
  20. Rolo42

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    Puran hasn't been significantly changed since 2010 and, if you exclude features already in MyDefrag, 2008! (Read the changelogs, not just the dates on them)

    Nothing against Puran Defrag--I've used it in the past--my point is that HDDs and NTFS hasn't changed.

    SSDs obviate the need for boot-time defrag (and regular defragmenting on those drives).
     
  21. TairikuOkami

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    Thanks for info, I was looking on Puran Utilities as well and there is definitely space for improvements. I just do not feel comfortable running an outdated soft.
    It is true, that HDD and NTFS did not really change, but Windows support as well as bug fixing can be crucial, even if they are considered as minor bugs.
     
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    Auslogics Disk Defrag Pro offers the most thorough Boot-time Defrag! :thumb:
     
  25. Scott W

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    How so? :confused:
     
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