Defragging problems

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by Hezakiah, Mar 26, 2009.

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  1. Hezakiah

    Hezakiah Registered Member

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    Hi everyone, I am so frustrated now, please bear with me. My computer is heavily fragmented. So as I have a license for Diskeeper 2009 I happily set it to defrag my rig. Sometimes it will take 3 days to complete and sometimes 3 hours. But when it's finished, it will always have the same amount of fragmentation as when I start it. So I have been getting trials of at least 4 other defragmenting software programs and they all are the same way. They appear to be defragging, but when they are done, I have the same amount of fragmentation as when it started. I'm confused. I never had problems on my XP rig. Is it Vista screwing things up? I just want to defrag my computer. Please help if you can. I have contacted Diskeeper support, but they didn't offer any help. o_O o_O o_O
     
  2. pandlouk

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    Can you post a screenshot of your disk (analysed with your defragger)?
    Have you tried to perform a checkdisk? Maybe there is a problem with the ntfs.
    How much free space do you have?
    System Restore is enabled or disabled?

    Panagiotis
    ps. Raxco and Puran offer a far better support than Diskeeper.
    Both respond in a few hours and are pretty quick in resolving problems
     
  3. RAD

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    I am using PD10 under Vista Home Premium, and with it set to "Autopilot" I neverr even notice it running. If I check, my drives are always nera zero fragmentation. Usually something like 0.1% to 0.6%

    If I manually run it, I can get zero fragmentation immediately after.
     
  4. mistycat

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    Can't help but running Ultimate Defrag 2008 on Vista Ultimate alway's left my drive around 30% fragmented. Thought it was an UD bug but no other defragger gave any different result's and have since returned to XP anyway due to other issue's. Probably 70% free space and System Restore disabled here.
     
  5. Hezakiah

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    Thanks for the help. Yes I did a chkdsk. System restore is off, and I have 416 gigs free on a 500 gig hard drive. I downloaded the Puran defragger and it took about 15 minutes to complete and it had the same amount of fragmentation as before it started. Just like the other defraggers I have tried. I'm so confused, it's killing me. Any other ideas? :doubt:
     
  6. stapp

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    Have you tried defragging in safe mode?
     
  7. philby

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    As Pandlouk says, posting a capture of a disk analysis might mean someone here might be able to spot something.

    You can run defrag c: -v to get this and then use snip to post a grab.

    philby
     
  8. pandlouk

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    Ok. Is possible that KIS has messed up the security permissions of your files.
    Download the fixit utility of microsoft that restores the security settings to their defaults and try again. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/313222/en-us

    Panagiotis
     
  9. Hezakiah

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    I turned off KIS, but it didn't help. I wish I knew how to do what Philby suggested. I'm a rookie when it comes to computers.
     
  10. Brian K

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    Hezakiah,

    To get a screen capture...

    press Print Screen on your keyboard
    open Paint
    Edit, Paste
    File, Save As a .GIF
     
  11. Hezakiah

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    Well here goes. This is from Smart defrag.



    Smart defrag report.gif
     
  12. philby

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    No problem at all.

    Hit Win key, then type snip, hit enter.

    Just so you know...

    Incidentally, did you try restoring security to default as Pandlouk suggested?

    I'm sure someone will come along and comment on the SD analysis soon.

    philby
     
  13. Hezakiah

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    Man i am happy now. I sent a defrag report to Puran, and a person got back to me and told me I have MFT and Registry fragmented. Please perform a Boot Time Defrag to defragment them. I did, and I have 0% fragmentation now. I feel like throwing a beer party to celebrate. Thanks for everyones help. That's why I love this website. :D :thumb: :D
     
  14. Baldrick

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    May I ask what you did to action this o_O :D I am running Win XP SP3
     
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  15. philby

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    I understood that boot defrag was Vista-inbuilt so long as the reg key referred to here hasn't been messed with.

    Are there different types of boot defrag?

    philby
     
  16. Brian K

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    philby,

    I think WinXP has something similar as well. I recall it's supposed to run every few days.

    The boot time defrag mentioned by Hezakiah is defragging the MFT and Page File. I don't think it's available in Vista. You need the bought software.
     
  17. Baldrick

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    In terms of Win XP for the Paging File one can use PageDefrag (ex-Sysinternals but now Microsoft):

    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx

    I am more interested in how one does this for the MFT. :D
     
  18. philby

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    OK - can someone explain the difference between Vista's own boot defrag
    enabled as per this capture and defragging the page file and MFT?

    Capture.JPG

    I thought they might be the same thing...?

    Thanks in advance

    philby
     
  19. Steven Avery

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    Hi Folks,

    Is this another Kaspersky-Microsoft special ? Where Kaspersky goes low-level gray without sufficient concern for the consequences ? Like the iShield 2006, 2007 tagging stuff. I'm being a bit imprecise here, but I stayed away from Kaspersky after reading about that (fairly carefully). Their tude did not ring right, though of course their lawyers probably told them to put on a what-me-worry face.

    So I would have thought that they would be bending over backwards that to bend the camel's back too much. So what happened with the permissions ?

    Shalom,
    Steven Avery
     
  20. Baldrick

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    Not that old ill informed chesnut again! Not all the world's ills can be laid at Kaspersky's door! Whilst there might be a connection in this case I for one has been running KIS for a number of years and have never had an issue related to KIS as far as I know.

    It would be good to avoid the hype and concentrate on the facts...IMHO.
     
  21. pandlouk

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    No is not. I would say that same if he had another antivirus/hips installed on his pc.

    Panagiotis
     
  22. pandlouk

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    Puran support rocks. :D

    -I saw that you have RBrx installed on your pc. I hope that you use the defrag switch command before defragging and that you update your baseline after the defrag.

    Panagiotis
     
  23. Espresso

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    The BootOptimize function merely lays out system and often used files at the front of the disk according to their order in the layout.ini file. XP has the same feature. You need another program to defrag the MFT and paging file. For defragging the paging file you can disable it, consolidate free space and then recreate it. Unless the MFT is in many fragments, it's not that big a deal anyway.
     
  24. philby

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    Very clear - thanks very much.

    philby
     
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